I'm in I kinda regret trying to ride so fast last time we went out, NinjaDoc... I should've been concentrating on trying to ride SMOOTHER... I think speed comes naturally when the technique is proper, and if that is learned first, we'd be much better off. Paul gave me some good advice, and if I make it out tomorrow for the group ride, I'm going to say "screw trying to keep up." I'll be concentrating on better form and smoother riding... being comfortable WITHIN my comfort range, this time, more so than pushing the edges of it. (My advantage, I think, is that I already knew the bit about engine braking and what not from a bit of car racing / track day experience... I hinted about the gears & shifting in another thread... One of the videos made it sound like you were in the same gear for too long... then again, I'm probably more newb than you so take anything I say w/ a grain of salt... But it is a good way to manage lean angle & speed... And if you engine brake, then you save your hand brake for emergencies).