I dont know the dark history betwix AFJ/ORDN as I've only been a member here a tick over a year, and there's no way I'm going digging for that bone after wasting the last few hours reading this tapestry of taintstains.......what I do know NOW is Ben has a Masters degree in maturity, business ethics, and basic human behavior -- whereas Brandon is still fighting his way through 3rd grade, for the 4th time, at his 5th school, to get his certificate in reality. This may have nothing to do with how Brandon might actually conduct business, nor discredit his mechanical aptitude with motorcycle repair/tuning. Some businesses just have broken owners/operators in its ranks - world's quirpy like that. Even Einstein was a fuckup sometimes, eclectic personalities show once in a while. I have no personal opinion towards AFJ and their antics, but I do know some guys that act in the same light as they're being described here -- gotta say, sounds entertaining to watch now and then since we all need humor in our lives. Nothing I want to be part of, but rendered for the spectating value alone? Eh, maybe a good story. Here's my point........QUIT FOOTFUCKIN' YOURSELF IN THE FACE ANUS.......Act the fool, and you'll create a foolish following