Np holly, just trying to coax you to come i might be on the silver dream after all, took it out for a ride and it was awesome hey magz, you coming down to canfield, we call all ride down to bolivar together. Update: Al z heimer came up with much much better route, twisty fiesta now http://g.co/maps/fexq8 it covers good part of 164 and 9 along with the always awesome 646