NinjaDoc

going to be a fellow again most likely for another year, so wont be able to afford big places and stuff. Likely small apartment close to university kinda deal  . But in future if i ever settle down close to the smokies i promise to have enough space and place to host the OR gap trip from there   

There is a very distinct possibility I be moving by   April may of next year 😑 if stuff line up as expected might be moving to Raleigh NC or it’s close suburbs as of now. Nothing set in stone yet.
 

OR family  will be what I miss most in Ohio,  but life goes on I guess 

13 minutes ago, Tpoppa said:

EV tech is evolving rapidly.  IMO, any EV that exist today will certainly be obsolete in 10 years. 

Infrastructure is the driving force of the industry.  Infrastructure is largely going to determine which EVs are going to be successful...not the other way around.   I expect some failed formats (think VHS vs Betamax) before the industry is standardized.  Whatever company emerges & gains control of that infrastructure is going to become one of the most powerful companies in the world. 

After those chips fall is when I'll seriously consider an EV.  Prolly 10 years.

 

biggest strength and same time weakness of EV is the rapid pace of evolution. What used to be cutting edge 5 yrs ago is looking obsolete now. Just like all all electronic products thats almost hitting 90% depreciation and filling up dumpsters.  But it will be a major hit to consumer to have such a high priced vehicle to undergo same depreciation and loss in value and hence less people buying into EVs. 

solution is sort of affordable renting/ leasing vehicles from manufactures and the vehicles going back to mfg for recycle and updates. 

regarding infrastructure again its going to become standardized sooner or later, then the pace of development will be exponential. like different adapters of mobile phone plugging into uniform outlet, EVs will have different adapters for uniform charging stations. 10 yrs is a good bet. 

9 minutes ago, ricer1 said:

You probably like the looks of the Aztec ☺️

haha perfect example. if the Aztec was a 500+hp beast people wouldnt be hating in it as much as it receives now.  If  this car was munching down corvettes and camaros of its generation despite looking like a big block of melting icecube, the opinion we carry about aztec and its looks would be different. 

2 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said:

Coming from someone that drives a car and bike that are considered by the vast majority to be really good looking machines.......... 

haha nah, dont misunderstand the statement. I am not against the looks / for me first is performance / functional status/ bang for buck etc and looks i like is an added icing on the cake. Vstrom was considered ugly but still my all time favorite bike. the civic is considered immature and  ricey by vast majority esp if driven by older owners, still my favorite.  

i love it, might get one in distant future. then again i am the odd one who loved the old versys and current nikken as well. I like functional out of ordinary designs.

This truck even though people make fun of it looks etc, i bet will grow on you. Because "looks" are subjective, its a thought process triggered in each persons brain based on years of social conditioning from opinion facts, imagery that been accumulated over the years. And that "looks" " design" thing keep changing slowly over decades. imagine releasing the new corvette design in 1980, there would have been a riot. 

  As of now we are trained to think a truck "SHOULD" look like one way and it should have this shape to be strong and macho. But as time goes by the opinion is going to change about this truck. The marketing team would ensure that by slowly releasing videos and facts tied up to this that will condition out brain. like this truck tug of war destroying the classic "macho big rig trucks" or this huge truck obliterating smaller  sports cars in drag strips. and in couple of years,  As soon as we see this in person, the thought that will be triggered will be massive power speed and performance. 

hopefully this forum and this thread is alive in 2025 for us to revisit and for me to post a smiley face to say "i told you so" 

regarding infrastructure, its going to change and change fast. This is evolution no one can stop it. EV is on the way up / Gas is on the way down. Having said that 10 years seems like a reasonable estimate to be honest for them to comparable, as in someone to go buy a Ev without even thinking twice about worry of being stranded, location for charging and distance etc. Right now and in near future, its still viable and reasonable as long as little bit of planning and patience is involved. 

disclaimer:I  dont own EV / still love my gas guzzlers / not a fan boy of tesla/ just accepting the fact and proud of human evolution even though we gonna be extinct by our own progress/ regress/ and deeds in future. 

Please post up a sample email you guys been sending, wonder if I am typing too much or too little and informal 

11 hours ago, NinjaDoc said:

Yes motorcycling is dying for sure,  just look at this place. 

4 hours ago, Pauly said:

I have done more riding this year than the past 5 altogether. 

I was referring to the overall active folks in here. There are about 10-15 active Old school peeps that put down miles regularly and hardly any new incoming. 

Yes motorcycling is dying for sure,  just look at this place. 

6 hours ago, Pauly said:

Your bike felt weird from the moment I sat on it. I think it was the long reach, really. The GS was a little bit of a reach, too..but not as pronounced as your bike. I bought a riser kit and it feels pretty good now. 

I doubt I will replace the Hyper with it, but folklore tells of a strong sport presence that is surprisingly adept. I am anxious to get it down south. I didn't buy it for that, though. I will use it while traveling for work and for solo sport touring. Sort of trying to do both at the same time. 

This will very well be the Elusive one bike solution, I have a feeling duck and cow is gonna sit in the shed for longer duration next season. 

No way I am buying it new so no worries,  hehe only reason I had my eye on it was because of the safety package it carries. Not many small bikes coming out with that these days except this and duke. And not yet committed to track only state  at best I see is 4-5 track days a season that’s it. So no dedicated bike trailer warmer generator  package yet  

49 minutes ago, motocat12 said:

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2019/11/05/2021-harley-davidson-pan-america-and-bronx-unveiled-with-60-degree-revolution-max/

I was expecting a buell ulysses with more chrome.

Sexy bikes, will be some eye candy to look at while passing them on the side of the road unlike the Older classic HD models. 

5 hours ago, Tpoppa said:

or

https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ktm/2020-ktm-890-duke-r-first-look.html

If priced right It’s gonna be a sweet bike for the streets. 
 

or even this if considering occasional track duty 

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2019/11/05/2020-aprilia-rs-660-first-look-10-fast-facts/

2 hours ago, Pauly said:

The Wing is finally a contender. It is finally not a giant, bulbous Boomer mover. Honda is facing the same shit HD has been. They were forced to create a tourer that was not the previous Wing. It was a good bike, but not a "holy shit I should buy that" bike. We want reliable, fast, top-tier tech machines in this generation. The same old recycled Pacific Coasts just won't do. 

i have a feeling kawi bought in the SC on 1k cc > h2 sx to slowly infringe on the customer base of their own connie and FJR.  Wonder what if they could squeeze in a SC into the 1300 cc engines and make a goldwing killer 

2 hours ago, Tpoppa said:

Now that everything is RBW.  Why doesn't every motorcycle have Cruise Control?  All the sensors are already there and the necessary data is already in the ECM.  The only 'extra' parts that are needed are the handlebar controls and the indicator on the display.

it will become standard feature pretty soon just like abs, right now they just saving some money plus treating it as a bling bling feature. By 2021 or so cruise will become standard for most street bikes, by then adaptive cruise and radar will be the bling bling. By 2020 bikes are going to hit the floor with radars and stuff.  

Exactly Vfr 1200x still sits .
don’t get me wrong these are good machines but the times are golden in motorcycling world and simply good doesn’t cut any more, great bikes are available at same price. This is the first one where pound to pound Honda made something that matches or exceeds the competition. if pricing is right it’s gonna be a hit. 
 

the only place where Honda runs away with success is the gold wing area where they just don’t have any viable comparable  competition I think. 

Not released yet I think. 

Finally Honda decided to conform to the market and not be stubborn and keep making stuff according to their whims and fancy. 
 

now this bike again will be a failure if they gonna slap on 18+ price range To it. 

This forum needs another 2talltom or 2tallharry or something. 

11 hours ago, what said:

except a base model harley for the same price

One thing is with Harley you don’t have to waste much money on gear. Gosh darn... Forgot the merchs Bur starter kit is pretty cheap 

Lots of chassis in the closet in this motorcycle forum. People need to be more honest and open up. 😂

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1 hour ago, what said:

That's one torquey bastard. 

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163 hp is nothing these day.... nope that’s the torque number ... ohhhh okay 

8 hours ago, ricer1 said:

Last weekend my friend installed Spiegler handlebars on my 2018 Kaw Ninja H2 SX SE. The clip ons were torturous after 45 minutes of riding, the new bars are very comfortable. It was a (13) hours job, had to locate and drill holes in the bars for the controls along with rerouting wiring and brake/clutch lines. The direction were extremely vague and missing steps, like most aftermarket accessories. Really like the new bars!

Awesome, dibs on this bike when your going to upgrade to something else  

Happy birthday   

it still baffles me why there is such a big discussion about this. If its "looks" "color" about a bike etc i can understand people going back and forth on it. But when it comes to rider aids, its kind of common sense at least for street riders. There is no point in considering pros and cons. If its available and affordable get it. If that small electronic thing saved you from major crash its worth it and negates " 100 pages of cons" you guys can come up with. I literally see what happens to folks who crash day in day out, believe me death would have been a better fate for some folks. Yes, tonic, knitting would be safer  but if you enjoy motorcycles why not make it safer. 

to summarize for better comprehension 

motorcycling is high risk / high reward hobby / / more risky than skydiving and more fun than skydiving, akin to an endless fall and flying down from sky >>> Yes yes yes 

Does it make sense that any thing you can get a hold of reduces risk will be beneficial in the larger picture / starting from good helmet/ gear / better tires / brakes / all the way to electronic riding aids >> YES YES YES

Street bike riders >> developing skills >> yes good idea 

Can you still develop skills set even with riding aids on bike>>>  yes of course 

sharpening your skills to max day in day out  while facing more risk without rider aid >> will it bring you any socio/economic/ financial/ championship gains >> NO NO NO 

Track day riding / track day timing/ milli sec benefit etc is an entirely different conversation and discussion. 

But for street riding this argument holds no sense at all. You get what ever you can to make you safer. After slowly moving up the ladder of safety net from nothing to abs tc etc I have not experienced even one moment where i thought "  Boy, this road would have been so much more fun without my abs and TC " 

after a few years when this topic is being discussed it will sound almost like this discussion " you should put on many miles on almost worn out shinko tires to improve your skill set, that will teach you how to control slides and slips and loss of traction" ( i know this sounds absurd now >> exactly my point when we look back at discussion about abs and TC  in 2025" 

rider aids are coming, getting better and here to stay. And i thank racing upto a level for this because the R&D,  tech and money is bought into this due to that aspect a lot. I welcome all and everything that is tricking down from high level motorcycling racing world to regular street riding.