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Ryan, you must be too young to remember when "terrorists" used to hijack things like airplanes and busses, or lock themselves in their compounds under threat of force. Remember Ruby Ridge? David Koresh and the branch davidians? All considered terrorists at the time. The common factor is the threat of force meant to intimidate. However, where are you seeing this narrative that the Oregon militia are terrorists? Every credible news source I have read so far (nbc, cbs, cnn, wsj, nyt) has referred to them as protestors.

 

I don't think either Ruby Ridge or Waco could be correctly categorized as terrorist events. I also don't recall ever seeing either labeled as such. Sadly that label is thrown around willy nilly these days, very similar to "communist" in the 60s.

I've been somewhat following these events, and am starting to get a better understanding of the situation. If I get time today I'll post some more.

Stop drinking.

Stop complaining (negativity will only breed more negativity).

Start eating better

Start getting more exercise

35 is not too old to make new and more challenging goals.

Really clay, this thread isn't necessary. All home fix it and remodel questions should always be directed to my cell phone immediately...

PM me your number please.

Typical

Thanks for the heads up though.

Not my company. Posting for a friend.

http://www.n-ovationtech.com/open-positions.html

I'll mention that the gf. This is kind of her deal, I was just trying to get more exposure.

thanks for the replies

Probably a long shot on here. Left overs from our bathroom remodel.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/hsh/5358703495.html

It's fuckng nitrous, not god damn NOS.

They're fucking tissues, not god damn Kleenex.

Trump is the worst thing that could happen to this country. I'm a small government appreciating, free market espousing, freedom-loving (not pretend freedom-loving, like your average Toby Keith fan, actual freedom) token libertarian, and the man is the most Hitler-esque of any modern candidate I can remember, though his persona is so ridiculous one has to wonder how much of it is an act.

 

Choose between a socialist/scandalous liar who deletes government-related email servers because they're somehow "private", or a bigoted lunatic, who stands firmly against the "small government" ideals his party is supposed to represent, and whose genius ideas include a giant border wall that would cost hundreds of billions to build, and wouldn't work.

 

We are fucked.

Between this post and your gun thread posts I feel like we should be best friends.

Here is an article from a less "conservative" source. This one (to me) reads in a much less biased way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/

Good for him. However, he got exactly what he wanted: the ability to scare himself by being in a bad situation and using the threat of force to protect the change from a $50. Don't get me wrong, I really feel for your friend and I am sorry he was in that situation at all - it sucks. But it's kind of my point, most people don't realize the post situation ramifications, they think as far as possibly surviving the event and that's it. If he's that rattled post event, he should seek counseling as he now probably understands the responsibility better and may have a lot to think about.

 

Could the kid have stabbed him? yeah. Could the kid have threatened him with the knife and then shit his drawers when he was defiant? also yes. Could he have just handed over his wallet and they all went away? yes again. Could he have seen a group of questionable looking kids in a sketchy neighborhood and picked another gas station? yup. but none of these things happened. What did happen is he got lucky. He tested the kid's resolve to do him physical harm and the kid chose not to test his commitment to use the firearm. it worked out in the best possible way against the odds that it wouldn't.

That's certainly one way to spin that. One would also argue that the situation went as best it could have. His friend was able to move freely with in a public place, conduct his business, and when the kids attempted to intimidate him/force their will on him, he was able to stop that from happening. He was able to do this without he or the kid being physically harmed.

I am curious if he reported this to the police. If he even did I doubt it was recorded in any meaningful way to allow us to see how many times a firearm in the hands of a responsible citizen is used to stop a violent crime. That's a statistic I would be interested in seeing.

I've heard speculation that it is a very high number.

Now one thing I will again agree on you with. Anyone on here that carries a gun for self protection. GET MORE TRAINING. In most cases your CCW instructor was a dickbag just wanting to make a buck. He/she didnt tell you all you need to know. Even if you had a good instructor 4 hours of range time isnt sufficient.

As GTO alluded to. People arent meant to kill other people (psychologically). Have you thought about what it would be like to actually have to kill someone? I know people who have had to do this. I knew them before and after, I promise you they were not the same.

when you are talking simply bullets into targets, I agree. But that is not the sum total of training that goes into conflict resolution, strategy, fitness, mental health...etc....If your justification for a CCW is conflict resolution in self defense situations and you don't have any of the other training pieces to the puzzle, you only have one tool out of the many you need.

That is not what we were discussing at all. We were specifically discussing a CCW holders ability to stop a violent encounter, specifically an active shooter situation. This would imply that at this time, the only course of action would be to "go to guns".

My point to that discussion is that police and military to not have a significantly higher level of training that civilians. I would also argue that the majority of our military are lacking in the support structure of conflict resolution/support ect that police have, but you put them on the same level.

Now concerning a ccw being your go to resolution for any conflict resolution... I will agree with you there. If a persons mindset is the gun is the only tool in the tool box, then I would wager they will not legally be able to carry a gun for long.

FYI the OPOTA yearly qualification course is a 25 round string of fire. This is the only time they are required to train with and fire their guns. A passing score is 20 of 25 shots.

The majority of military personal do not train with handguns, and those that I have worked with have had to be retrained from scratch.

While I won't comment on the skill level of the average CCW holder, the myth that Police and Military have an exponentially higher skill set simply is not true.

I hate the coverage while something like this goes down. The information is the not available and CNN yesterday just started spitting on information that wasn't true of confirmed. I got more information listening to the Police Scanner than the crap the news had on.

Yup

I have had Tula .223 get stuck in the chamber of my S&W M&P that had to be beaten out with the cleaning rod. I have also had an over pressured Tula 9mm round explode a gun in my hand.

I will note that was 1 .223 round out of over 600 shot, and Tula paid for all the ammo I had from that lot, and bought me a new gun. This was also during the ammo shortage when companies were cranking out tons of ammo and I'm sure quality control was slipping.