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then it serves to reason you know a little more about this than i do. thanks for droppin the knowledge, homie. in sales, those distinctions often are deemed frivolous, so we dont get that far into it. good to know, though.

that was hilarious. dont worry hell get a new tandy or something.

not according to j.d. power and assoc.

imovie. final cut pro.

in america, tmo and att use 1900 mhz, and cingular uses 850. 900 and 1800 are mostly international bands.

yes, there are gtos and the new mustangs in the game. there are some others as well, but i havent unlocked them yet. no prob jonesy.

well, it sure is warm and cuddly im here. guess thats nice to see. and since i called ant and made sure hes not terminally ill or anything, i guess its actually legit. could this be the groundwork for a kinder, gentler cr? tune in next week kids...... p.s. rob, that was the funniest post i think ive ever seen you present.

question: answer: well, i said you could, and according to joe (who i know for a fact thinks tmo sucks) you can, so i must know a little bit about what im talking about. you do not need to contact a local provider in a new country to use your tmo phone there. as long as you have a phone that is multi band and works on their network, you are good to go. your number doesnt change or anything. hell, if you get a call from home, its not even long distance. question: answer: what exactly do you consider, "band", rob? almost all of our phones are tri-band models (except our stupid samsungs) that work on 1900, 900, and 1800. we have more than a few that work on 850 as well. in fact, the only single band phones we have are the nokia 6010 and 6800. to you question about networks, t-mobile added over 4000 towers last year, as well as signing roaming agreements with two regional carriers that will cost our customers nothing. the merger of att and cingular is complete. went through last week, making cingular the largest cellular service provider in america. cruiser, correct me if im wrong, but doesnt verizons new dual mode phone cost upwards of 500 dollars? not bashing, just wasnt sure of the price. wether it does or not, its at least a step for them in the right direction. (i think it may be a samsung phone, too) as far as number porting being easier with vzw, i just dont see that. all you need to port a number with us is the number and an account number. granted ive never ported to verizon before, because ive never had their service, but im not sure how much easier it gets than that.

rob, if we only use single band phones, explain to me why cingular and att networks are open to us? in your haste to bash tmo, you are only showing yourself to be uninformed. 4 billion spent a year on a network is impressive, unless youre deutsche telekom, which spends triple that. tell me where verizon ranks in the world in terms of telecommunications provided. hell, we even own our own shipping company. (dhl) to travel internationally with our phones, you get on a plane and go somewhere. i guess you could call that a hassle. especially around holiday season. it seems being a phonescoop subscriber doesnt automatically qualify you as an expert in the field.

i dont think this is really a "heated" argument, just a discussion on the way of things as far as cell service goes. in the end, rob has made a good point. you live in the states, then you have to do whats best for you. and if thats something other than tmo, then i can respect that.

a loaner? why go through the trouble? anyways, do you think the world will change to be on the same network as us, especially when we cant even decide on a standard amongst ourselves? or, will we ultimately find our way to gsm as a nation? my money is on the latter. as far as integrity goes, samsung just released a sim chip that has some very serious encryption built into it. not to mention that sim cards now have three or more levels of security. (pin, pin2, puk) the reason people have data stolen is because they dont set that security up. you can lead a horse to water......

do you work for those guys?

rob, listen carefully, you wont hear any t- mobile "propoganda" in my arguments, so id appreciate it if you took a more objective approach to your side of the discussion. evdo is really cool. no doubt about that. so is EDGE. and cdma200. and wcdma. but none of these is truly 3g. all are adaptations of current 2g technology. thats why i tend to view them as more of a 2.5g kinda thing. anyways, its really all relative anyways. my other argument is that none of these is truly "whole network" encompassing. cingular's (at&t's) edge network is only a portion of its calling area, and the same can be said about their wcdma. same goes for verizons evdo. when i mentioned 3g earlier in this thread only being in europe and asia, i was meaning on an "entire network" level. of course its a lot easier over there, because theres a lot less land in most cases. as far as covering more square miles, i totally agree. any network that has an analog backup is going to be huge compared to one thats solely digital. (like gsm) but as the world becomes more and more of a neighborhood, which network do you think will be the one most people move too? have fun trying to use your regular sprint or verizon phone overseas. ask anyone in europe if theres a tdma tower around, and theyll laugh in your face. (i really like this convo, btw) for those who are just kinda following along, rob is correct. phonescoop is an excellent source of info, might try gsmworld as well, to see how the rest of the world does it.

im with him, altough id have spelled it correctly. ant, are you feeling ok?

no offense dude, but you need to work on your skills. i had no issues beating the early opponents wit my stock 240sx. i have it for my pc, and i really like it. th city is huge, and the outrun races are a blast.

umts is not fourth gen. ts more like 2.5 gen, like a wcdma or a cdma2000. 3g is only available in a few european and souteast asian countries right now. cdma and gsm are true 2g technologies. according to most experts, tdma is as well, but i myself dont think thats entirely accurate. posting from my pocket pc, i cant he!p but think that you wouldnt be able to do this from any tdma device. anyways, yes, i try as hard as i can to make sure our customers stay happy, even if theyre not "my" cutomers, per se. as an aside, i do offer special discounts to cr members, so if youre interested, pm me or feel free to call.

um, if you consider tdma (nextel) 4th gen service, i have a great AMPS phone id love to sell you. i promise, you wont get cancer. *crosses fingers* akula, i work for t-mobile. if youre having issues, hit me with a pm and let me know what they are. if nothing else, ill at least be able to give you some cause as to why the problem exists. hopefully, i can help fix it for you.

someone find more vids like that, dammit.

mike, you better keep your fat ass out of the u.k.

that was freakin awesome. what song was that playing in the background?

hi noob. dont drop the soap.

reads well, lets hope the movie does the read justice.

now, we can expect more of the same. that area will never be peaceful, and heres why.... "8 And the child grew, and was weaned; and Abraham made a great feast on the day that Isaac was weaned. 9 But Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, playing with her son Isaac. 10 So she said to Abraham, "Cast out this slave woman with her son; for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac." 11 And the thing was very displeasing to Abraham on account of his son. 12 But God said to Abraham, "Be not displeased because of the lad and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your descendants be named. 13 And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring." 14 So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba. 15 When the water in the skin was gone, she cast the child under one of the bushes. 16 Then she went, and sat down over against him a good way off, about the distance of a bowshot; for she said, "Let me not look upon the death of the child." And as she sat over against him, the child lifted up his voice and wept. 17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, "What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not; for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. 18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him fast with your hand; for I will make him a great nation." 19 Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink. 20 And God was with the lad, and he grew up; he lived in the wilderness, and became an expert with the bow. 21 He lived in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt." a little later on, after abrahams death.... "12 These are the descendants of Ish'mael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maid, bore to Abraham. 13 These are the names of the sons of Ish'mael, named in the order of their birth: Neba'ioth, the first-born of Ish'mael; and Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, 14 Mishma, Dumah, Massa, 15 Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Ked'emah. 16 These are the sons of Ish'mael and these are their names, by their villages and by their encampments, twelve princes according to their tribes. 17 (These are the years of the life of Ish'mael, a hundred and thirty-seven years; he breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kindred.) 18 They dwelt from Hav'ilah to Shur, which is opposite Egypt in the direction of Assyria; he settled over against all his people." who else was in the line of ishmael? mohamed. the founder of islam. and isaac? you guessed it, jesus. and according to god, his covenant was with isaac... "Sarah your wife shall bear you a son," God tells Abraham in Genesis I7: I9-2I. "And you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac. . . ." there are some more twists and turns in this great drama, but that is the main thrust of it, and that is why the middle east will never be peaceful.

my dogs name is sirius. (this totally random thought has been brought to you by the drug oxycodone, and the relief from wisdom tooth pain that it brings.)

ask questions like that here.