Mallard

That's fucked up. Coordination at the federal level is seriously flawed. The left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing. 100% agree. It's clear that a vaccine is a long way out. The only hope is finding an existing drug that has positive outcomes. I agree with you at the beginning, but then you lost me. Part of the preparation should help the outcome of many cases. We should have enough PPE to protect healthcare workers (and possibly average citizens) within a few months. GM is manufacturing masks in Warren, FCA is doing the same in China. FCA is shipping them to the US and donating 1 million masks to healthcare workers and first responders. GM, Ford, Tesla, and FCA are all partnered with ventilator companies for increasing their manufacturing rates. GM is obviously the farthest along and garnered the most press. Dyson has done the same in England and not sure of their global plans. With access to a ventilator being an important part of the treatment/recovery, increasing the number of these available to hospitals should help greatly. If chloroquine does prove to be an effective treatment it gives time to ramp up supply before the next wave hits. Right now this drug is in short supply and people who need it daily for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis can't fill their prescriptions. Despite all of this, people will still die, but as I understand it, the things I listed above will affect the outcomes for many. I'm not sure we're ready for the aftermath of letting everything return to normal and living through the 1-2 month spike that completely overwhelms the system. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

The modeling seems to be accurate, however there are some unknowns that can affect that curve, or the deaths that occur. Flattening the curve and slowing the spread of the virus allows us time to build up supplies of equipment that are currently in short supply or nonexistent. It also gives us time to run trials of existing drugs that have FDA approval in order to find an effective treatment. Also, if this does behave like the flu and the rates of infection drop in summer time we may get a further delay to prepare for the next wave that comes in the fall. It's definitely not going away any time soon, but it also sounds like we will all be encouraged to wear face masks once hospitals are endured a steady supply. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

He's 100% in line with everything I've been hearing and reading for the last several weeks, which is why I'll be continuing to take it seriously. The hospitals are overwhelmed and already running out of equipment. Here's a nurse from a hospital up here talking about how bad it already is, and this was days ago. It's amazing that there are still people up here who think this is overblown media hype and are refusing to stay home. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Michigan had another 75 deaths today bringing our total to 259. The numbers are still rising daily. There are 7615 confirmed cases, but we know that's under reported. To the comments above above about being sick earlier with similar symptoms; my wife and I both had pneumonia in late Nov/early Dec and it was a pretty nasty season for respiratory illnesses before this came along. Consider that up here only about 25% of those tested are positive for COVID-19. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Very well said, and I agree 100%. And speaking of a "different reality," almost right on cue is Donald Trump Jr. This is part of the problem. President Trump seems more interested in delivering a positive, uplifting message to the people, even when it's untruthful, and chastises the press when they ask him questions that he doesn't think fit this mold (even when they are directly quoting Trump). Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

I spoke earlier of my one coworker that didnt get tested, even though he was in direct contact with someone who was hospitalized and confirmed positive. My manager, his sister, his wife, 2 year old, newborn are all sick with symptoms. AFAIK, none of them have been tested. His sister is a nurse. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Again, keep in mind that we're primarily NOT testing people who don't require hospitalization. A majority of the people sitting at home to get through it are not included in the 100,000+ cases. So when people say "20% of people who get this require hospitalization," it's not 20% of the 100,000 cases listed. Those 100,000 are the 20% of the whole. (As I understand it) Depends on what you think the federal government's role is in identifying, monitoring, and mitigating a global pandemic. States don't have the resources for this. States can't force all air travel from a region to route through specific airports and test everyone entering the US. States dont have the large, strategic stockpiles of equipment. States don't have the money of FEMA that allows them to pay for disaster response. States don't have the resources to develop their own tests for pathogens. States are bidding against each other for equipment, driving the prices up. This should be coordinated at a federal level. Instead we get "don't call governor's who have criticized the federal response," or "I don't believe the experts estimates," or "it's all a democratic hoax," and "I take no responsibility." The list could go on. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

It's already been said that China was not including asymptomatic individuals with positive test results in their official case count, so their case count should be similar to ours (currently) in that it only reflects the number of severe cases. I've said all along that I don't trust their numbers, but their government also has more power over the movement of their people. Wuhan was blockaded and everyone was ordered to stay home, while the military delivered food door to door. In general, many people in China already wear face masks all the time due to air pollution, and they seem more sensitive to epidemics since the SARS outbreak. My point being, while I don't trust their numbers 100%, there are also a lot of factors that make their situation different than ours. It's not a like this is some smoking gun that let's our leadership off the hook for not taking it seriously (at least publicly) while receiving classified briefings that were less than rosey. It doesn't excuse withholding aid from states that need it unless the governor praises Trump as supreme leader. It doesn't excuse a delayed response the get ventilators because he "has a feeling it will be less." We have to plan and react by using the best information we have at the time, and that information has been continually disregarded. Also, if the pandemic response team had not been dissolved and funding stripped, we would probably have our own information from inside Wuhan. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

They keep track of recoveries. Try this site, it's continually updated with the latest info. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ If you click on USA you can see the breakdown by state. In my area, as of the middle of this past week, you couldn't get the COVID-19 test unless you tested negative for the flu and required hospitalization. Otherwise, you would be sent home. In this case I could see it being possible that you have H1N1 and COVID-19 but have the COVID-19 inflection remain unknown. But the way they were giving tests you wouldn't be COVID-19 positive with unknown H1N1. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

China did not include positive test results in their case count if the individual was asymptomatic. Their numbers were (and are) higher. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

I don't think anything I wrote was self righteous or condescending, just warning about how quickly things changed around here. Even so, we still have people in MI that don't take this seriously, going so far as to say, "there aren't many cases in my county, don't tell me how to live my life." I agree 100% in the need for more testing and the antibody test. It's definitely more widespread than the numbers show. We're only counting the severe cases right now. It will bring the mortality rate down, but it seems to be extremely contagious (more than the CDC guidelines call out), and the hospitalization rate and time is high. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

While that's a happy thought, keep in mind that the hospitals up here in Detroit have been overwhelmed and reached capacity in a matter of days. The tide can quickly change. The thing about the shelter-in-place order is, if it works to limit the spread of the virus, many will say it was all overblown hype and we stayed at home for nothing. But if we do nothing the hospitals would quickly be overloaded. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

One minute he doesn't think we need all these ventilators ("some hospitals just have 1"), the next he's having a melt down because the auto companies aren't going to make highly needed respirators! But it's his own fault because his administration thinks it costs too much to retool an automotive plant to make medical equipment. Keep in mind that the money for this is coming from FEMA, which has something like $40 billion on hand. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/henry-ford-reaching-capacity-on-ventilators-planning-new-life-or-death-protocol-for-patients Yeah, it's hitting our area pretty hard. Be glad you're not to this level yet. Our governor clarified the stay at home order to specifically call out lawn services and "non essential." Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

We have 60 deaths in MI so far, and 52 of them are in 3 counties (metro Detroit). There are 2,856 cases with 1,866 being in those same 3 counties, and that's with lots of people being untested and not counted in these totals. I heard Trump say we're testing more people than South Korea now, but that's not reflected in any data coming out of the hospitals, so I'm not sure what he's talking about. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

So much winning. Indiana -> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2673015442980012&id=2100173283597567 Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Thanks. Sounds like his fever is gone, but still has a massive headache, can't think straight, tired, and achy. Although that was yesterday and he's offline today. They'll never teat hom, unless he gets worse and has to be admitted to a hospital. I did say to him that I had heard of people losing their sense of smell as an early symptom. He hadn't heard that, but laughed and said he lost all taste 2-3 days earlier. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Hospital near me is nearing capacity within their entire network. Not good. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/03/24/coronavirus-covid-19-beaumont-hospital-system-almost-capacity/2912079001/ And we've lost at least 3 employees in the US now. Statistically, there will be more. https://www.crainsdetroit.com/automotive/two-fca-plant-workers-covid-19-have-died-uaw-says Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Yeah, I get it too. But this is also why the numbers are so sketchy. There are so many people, even with symptoms and direct contact with positive cases that are uncounted. You have to consider it's everywhere by now. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Quick story about how readily available tests are up here: When we were told to WFH my coworker had a friend with a warehouse and a spare office space. So he moved in there so he wouldn't be home with his wife and kids during the day. Well, last week his friend gets sick and is tested and my coworker is told he can't leave the warehouse until the test results come back. Sunday night my coworker gets a fever, achy, tired, etc. It wasn't until mid day Monday when his friend got his positive test results for COVID-19. Despite him having symptoms and being in close proximity to someone that was positive, he was told that he wasn't getting a test unless he needs to be hospitalized. He's currently living in the warehouse until at least April 4th. His wife is 8 months pregnant and extremely pissed. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Cases show up where they actually test for it. Amazing. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

I agree. I understand the desire to re-open everything, but if we do it too quickly then we're potentially in worse shape. This has not given supply chains enough time to catch up on production of PPE or respirators, which the hospitals already desperately need. I can see relaxing some of the restrictions once hospitals have capacity and supplies, but we're definitely not there yet. (At risk demographics need to stay on lockdown until we see if this actually does taper off when the weather changes) Also, reading the comments on Facebook live, A LOT of people misunderstand his comments of "the cure being worse than the virus." People are freaking out thinking that the drugs they want to treat patients with has horrible side effects, when he's actually saying that shutting down the economy is worse than 10's of thousands of people dying (uh, which is so much better). Also, at least my employer seems to be jumping in to help now too. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fiat-chrysler-automobiles-to-produce-face-masks-for-first-responders-and-health-care-workers-301028532.html Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

LMAO. It really is amazing how they can turn everything into Pelosi's fault, even when she's not in the room. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

I don't think it's sensationalism when it's the current reality and the reason we're all sitting at home right now. The hospital nearest me is asking for the public to donate any unopened/unused personal protective equipment (PPE) because they are running out. The hospital down the road from them was completely out of masks on Saturday. They were asking doctors and nurses to bring their own from home. At the end of last week there was an interview with a guy from an Atlanta hospital who said they've already gone through a 5 month supply of masks and only had a 3 day supply left. The only company that has any available is in Mexico and is charging $7 per mask. He said they usually cost less than 60 cents, but they would probably end up having to buy them. Supply chains take time, and companies that make a press release saying they're going to make masks can't just flip a switch, and they may not even materialize. Meanwhile, people are putting their own health, and their family's health) at risk to care for others. That's not reporting sensationalism, that's reporting reality. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

I saw both. He still doesn't get a pass from me. It was a softball question that allowed him to clear the air. Trump spends more time railing on the media for what he calls "unfair coverage," even when it's 100% truthful but doesn't praise him like he's the North Korean Supreme Leader. Reporters are supposed to ask tough questions, and when they do he goes off on them for asking "nasty questions." He's the President of the United States, and he needs to start acting like it instead of stomping his feet like a little bitch if people don't kiss his ass. Instead he refuses to answer tough questions, claiming media bias, and stands in front of the nation praising OAN as a legitimate news source while discussing whether Chinese Virus is racist of Chinese Food isn't. Give me a fucking break. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk