Science Abuse

Explain to me how a reaction to a diet isn't evolution? We see animals all over the place that have different physical charactaristics based on what they eat. If we zap an infant from 1400 forward in time and feed him what we eat, he will not grow to be 6' tall. We've got a very very good idea. But, without a time machine, you are right. Also without a time machine, the Bible is just a book stories. According to the bible, there was no earth back then. How can you put "scientific" levels of stock in a document that got Genisis and the workings of the natural world so increadibly wrong? And God is not? As said before, a theory based on oveservations has more credibility then one based on assumptions.

Here's some evolution that you can tackle, Rick, it's right up your alley: Round'bout 3500 years ago, there was group of Nomads and part-time mercenaries known as "the outsiders". They worshiped the sun, sacrificed animals and, some beleive, even people to their god. Fast forward to the present, Many of them now beleive that a guy that got nailed to some boards is god. Animal and human sacrifices are not only gone, but strictly forbidden and punishable by death. Sun worshiping, they believe, is bogus and the act of crazy Pegans. They've spread themselves all over the world, and htey like to think they run the joint. Why such a big change over a short period of time? Everything get's its start some where primitive.

If it were alive, this would be possible. Unfortunately, it's static. There would be a chance that some oil eating bacteria could form inside of it, though. Maybe some day, a billion years dow the road, they would grow into intellegent life forms, and then discover teh superiority of the 2JZGTE, and order overnight parts from Japan so that it might dominate all.

I heard Fallwell make the same assumption; "It would be like me taking apart my watch, all into its individual peices, then tossing those peices into the air, and having them land, all back together, into a watch". This is a worthless analogy. The ods improve as time goes on. Nothing just "assembled" itself into a DNA strand, you're still stuck in the creationism mindset of "Bam, it's done". I don;t think the majority of people in the world can conceave just how dreadfully long 1.5 billion years is. Here's an example; In 1400, a European mans average height was 4feet'ish. 600 years (1000 generations) later, its 6 feet'ish. So, by the math, in a million years, humans could potentially be over three thousand feet tall. That's just a million years. We have 1.5 billion years of tiny baby steps to get a 200nm nanobacteria to grow in complexity into 100' blue whales. That is a long long time to build animals. DNA is just a string of amino acids. Amino acids have been created in laboratories in simulated "early earth" conditions. Life happens, deal with it. It has been theorized that, given the quickness with which primitive life showed up after the earth coold and liquid water apeared, that primitive life may be a common biproduct of liquid water in various conditions. The rarity comes in having a planet that can sustain complex life for a couple billion years without being pummeld into oblivion in the cosmic shooting gallery. Thanks Jupiter for that.

That's just how they roll on their turf, dawg. Should have got a moped. No, they can drive, it is you who cannot drive in Korea. If you put them in the states, then it would be them who could not drive.

I wasn't gunna say it. But seriously, Rick, I know you're smart enough to grasp these concepts, you know why we still have moneys and how the theory accounts for that. Therefore I can only assume that your arguments are for the mere sake of making noise.

Thread winnar!!!

Matter is what comprises our Brane, both active and dark, and everything in between. Over time, the G force attracts it all together, making a supermassive point in our Brane. Assuming that Gs pass between Branes, this could make a distorted point in ours that draws it into contact with another Brane. The resulting release of energy is our "big bang". Only matter in the area of the contact is charged with this energy, and it's shot out into our Brane, glowing, spinning, colliding. Eventually, the energy will burn up, and it will all collapse back into one spot, the process begins again. There is no "the Big Bang", just "A" big bang in the cycle of big banging. (Fat bottom girls, you make the rockin world go round!) "Its completely inconceivable to think that we are the only life in the entire universe" Fun fact: The clock of the universe is different then ours. A million years is nothing. Lets look at the intro of life on our world, and where it fits in: -Shit collides and accumulates into spinning molten blob -Blob gets bigger and continues sucking up space debris. Gets hit by a big hunk of iron, gets a spinning core and a moon. -Blob cools, commet ice (very abundant) that vaporized on impact now cools into water. -Fossil record shows first life. Bam, no shit, it happened that fast. Almost immediately, as soon as life "could" show up, it did show up. This would be a great bit of evidence to prove divine intervention...but oh wait, this never happened, 7 days, fer'got. This does show us that life is very possible elsewhere.

Long after Ptolemy tried to school us on how the Earth was set up, the Church produced "the most accurate map of the world known to man!" http://www.princeton.edu/~his291/Jpegs/T-O_Map.JPG Note that everything is surrounded by an ocean. did you know that in the origional Genisis, the world was not only flat, and limited to the middle east and mediterranea'. It was surrounded by water all all sides, even UP! Yes indeed, god created the world in a "bubble between the oceans". Thats why the sky is blue, there's an ocean up there. Bet you heathens didn't know that! "How do you explain the universe?" Well, we start by observing it, not by guessing. There's nothing wrong with being faithful. I like faithful people, they're happy and pleasent to be around. But the faithful have absolutely no business in these discussions. You're bringing a spitball shooter to nuclear Armageddon, you have no hope. There are areas of scientific theory that do not yet have answers, this is where "Christian scientists" stick their head in. To that, I counter with a quip from a smart Christian, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Darwin was devout and faithful. How do we know? Because he proposed the theory of evolution without EVER questioning god. How can he do that? He's faithful, he believed in god and that he created the world. As he saw it, he merely discovered that mans perception of gods work was way, WAY off. This happens ALOT. christians burned the library of Alexandria, imagine if they had remained in charge of what you know, where would the world be? Still in the dark ages. Faithful people don't feel the need to butt their heads into discussions of creation. They are secure in they're beliefs, and have no need to stress over what we fools think. People that doubt, people that fear being proven wroth, people of weak faith, they are the ones that argue, that hate, that shoot abortion doctors and try to argue evolution. They ask for prayer in schools because they're afraid of losing the faith. These folk suck. Now, back to scientific discussion: I'll do my best to answer the list of questions up there as I feel like it, one at a time, in fresh posts here. May of them relate. I guarantee that the answers will be too complicated to understand if you cant figure out why we still have monkeys.

You posted at the same time as me! The Flagellar motor is not a life form, its an inboard motor on a bacteria. You're not spouting some one else's BS, are you? If you remove half the stators of the motor, you get a flagellum that moves back and fourth. Please find out how sub cellular components work before attacking this. Its just a normal flagella that moves 'round in circles, rather then back and fourth. Monkeys = explained Dude, each and every one of those has a 2 page answer. Please ask one at a time, like this: Where did god come from and Why? For most of those, we only have theories, just like you. Your soap box is no bigger then anyone elses. It's made smaller by the fact that: A: You have one answer for everything, with no answers about it's origins or purposes. B: "Christian scientists" have a 2000 year history of being 98% wrong.

I was just starting like you, then you post this. It's simple, we didn't evolve from chimps, gorillas, orangutans, or any other species that is alive today. We evolved from something long dead and gone. Died right around the time we appeared, in fact. You are wrong about the motor, it CAN reduce. How do I explain the flagellar motor? The same way I explain an insect that carries two chemicals that, when combined and spit out, burn the shit out of you (so hot it smokes!) Evolution. A slow adaptation of exsisting physical features to meet new needs. Keep in mind, evolution occurs based on generations. The shorter your life, the more generations you can pack into a given eon. By this logic, single cell organisms should be the closest to perfect beings as possible...and they are. They are more efficient in their functions, they survive everything, reproduce asexually, and as you mentioned, some have wicked bad ass motors. Now, that motor is not in the least bit anything astonishing, it's just neat. consider the scale. If the stators were the size of a human bicep, then yeah, it would be OMFG! But they're not. They're sub-cellular. If you think of how your nervous system works, and how your muscle fibers work, the electrical work done is is actually boring. Sub Cellular "muscles" are different then ours. They work more electrically. EColli needed to move its flagella around in circles, it positioned stators to do that. the rotor shape evolved to make the motion more fluent. It's about 1/100th as complicated as your last fart.

No my car will say "XR7 5.0" on the side of it this time. This will be a laugh!

Well damnit Ben, I'll have to come out and make fun of your glorified weed eater, while driving my glorified stup puller. Hopefully I'll make the TnT.

If I learned anything from reading threads in the kitchen, it's that Turbotrio or Powers is behind this, I'm sure of it!

actually going a bit smaller in diameter, from 5x4.5 to 5x4.25

I'm not driving all the way down there to sandbag.

I will be. Though, to break half shafts, one must hook.

Given your investment thus far, I'd think a cage would not be a big deal. Also, given the experiences of another board member, you really really want a cage in tht car.

front hubs, requires pressing. 1991 cougar + Stang front hubs. http://members.tccoa.com/dlf/Article.html Different rotors and calipers will be going back on. Maybe quote a price for the whole shebang? Its all bolt-on accept for one "banjo bolt" that needs dremeled a bit. http://www.mn12performance.com/mn12how-to/brake_upgrade/13_pic7.JPG Here's an article, scroll down to the 13" cobra PBR bit. http://www.mn12performance.com/mn12how-to/brake_upgrade/brake_upgrade.htm I'll give you wicked bonus points if you can figure out how to put my OE 11.5" brake system on my back wheels.

I wanna make kids toys out of wood. Everything from rockers to play-sets. Ideas? I was thinking of investing in the neccesary saws and sanders, and ebaying my wares. It'd be nice to have an investor and a shop.

Got a pair that I'd like done. Has anyone done this/have a price? The drilling surface will be flat, should be simple as far as drilling goes. I just need a level of precision that I dont have with my hand-held drill. Also an option, a front hub swap. Any shop owners have a price on this?

My got chewed up. It's the kind that's tall and narrwo and sites on the radiator shrowd. If you have something ele that you think could work, let me know. Overflows from 93 and older Thunderbirds and cougars will work also.

11-4 I think.

I'm entertaining attending the test/tune sunday. But my battery switch may not pass.....among other things. Some of you have seen my cougar, should I be worried?

I don't think anyone in this thread has ever met this Ponyfreak fella, how's he supposed to know anything about his car?