And throw bolt ons to those cars, and they are touching 11s...What is your point? Also, with loaded camry/accords/malibus hitting 35-40k, I'd argue that the value is the same on teh STI/EVO/R as its always been.
Not defensive at all, this is CR, you're new here, get used to it
You're defense mechanism is to call them econobox/shoeboxes. My defense mechanism is to post stats about performance that exceeds your 360hp v8, and they can haul people, stuff, turn better and brake better.
I'm comfortable with that.