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THAT'S IT LOL? What is it? Jeez, I don't blame ya.

I don't watch anything really except for Hockey if we flip to it. Usually don't watch the whole game. Obviously the olympics and stuff we watch.

AHHH, just re-read original post lol. Where did he get the starter, and was it a rebuilt, one or a new one. I don't know what everyone else was thinking, but on the whirring sound here is the scoop. If it makes a high pitched whirring sound 1 of 3 things is happening. Either the starter gear is moving out towards the flexplate and not hitting it thus needing shims. Which BTW, I haven't had to shim a starter in about 4 years, you don't use them on anything newer now a days. That was a like pre 90's thing except for like 302's and LT1's that continued in their design into the 90's. OR The starter gear is spinning, but not plunging out towards the flexplate. Thus, shitty starter, likely a poor re-build. OR The flywheel/flexplate is loose If a tooth was missing it would make a clanging/grinding sound then typically catch, then have a dead spot of clanging. In 1 RARE instance on a manual car, we saw that the outer ring of teeth on the flywheel broke off (LOL) causing a whirring noise due to the starter gear not being able to reach the teeth.

Just saw that you don't have a big enough socket. That's ok, continue with starter checking then.

Yes, you can bench test it, I was going to suggest that, but that's up to you on the work load. Yes, cheap re-built starters can go bad that fast. Was it replaced recently. Sry, I am not up to speed with all the info on what has been done. Find socket that fits, get ratchet, put on crank pulley bolt and turn. I would start clockwise just incase it's locked up. I don't think it's a problem, but it's worth the check before going to the effort to pull the starter. I suppose it's possible the starter gear is stuck "out" on the flexplate/flywheel.

I hate to ask the painful question, but have you tried to put a wrench on the crank bolt and make sure the engine actually turns freely? Just as a quick verification I suppose. With how this thing was acting and being driven into the ground aparently I suppose it's possible. You describe a faint "hollow" sound which would lead me to believe that it may be trying to operate, but doesn't have 12V on the big wire from the battery. Since I am sure you guys were cranking the thing over since it would hardly start. Still odd that you have nothing on the reference wire.

Also when you try to do it, rest your hand on the starter (if possible) and make sure that noise isn't coming from the starter. Make sure you don't feel a click or something.

I just used a actual coiled jumper wire which isn't a large diameter wire at all. Does the battery have 12V right now, or close to it?

Make sure the car is in park, turn the key to "on". (auto?) Take a jumper wire, hook one end up to 12V and touch the other end to the tab on the starter where the reference wire hooks up and see if the starter tries to work. (CAUTION, you will essentially be bypassing the ignition switch to start the engine. Make sure your hands are clear of accessories, etc.) If it does, you know the starter is operational, but for some reason the ignition switch is not telling it to do so. If you feel uncomfortable doing this, you basically need to find out why you aren't getting a reference signal from the ignition switch to the starter. A wiring diagram will be your best friend at this stage. Is this an auto or manual car?

Erica and I are going to Andi's birthday gig at her house at 8. Dunno how long we will be there, so can't really "lock in" for heading North tonight.

PM sent. Need key in "start" position to see power on reference wire. Remember, the starter will only work in the "start" position. If you had power in the "on" position it would be cranking and not good lol.

This is the one that was always sitting down at Firestone there on High street just south of old worthington? We have a '51 M37 sitting at the shop that I am rebuilding for another guy that lives in old worthington. Not the same guy you bought this from or anything, just funny. Looks like fun. Yes, they are a handful to drive.

LOL I think I saw it leaving the neighborhood. Newer Silverado?

Nice music volume/engine sound editing. Really nice video.

Sounds like quite the peach. Verify you are getting a power reference at the starter from the ignition switch. If so, THEN check ground/battery positive at starter and suspect starter if everything else is ok. If not, need to find out why you aren't getting a signal from the ign. switch. Stuck relay, open wire, open switch something. (This is where you would REALLY want a wiring diagram of the starting circuit.) Probably worth checking voltage drop from the battery as well to the starter just to be safe.

Someone sounds lonely.

Hangout? Or no? I can't use my phone until after 6.

Maybe I'll drag the 2 over. You would think with as many MR2 owners I recall welcoming the last year here more would show up besides Max, Randy, and I.

I was about to say, it's worth a shot smacking the valve and see if it helps. Secondly due to being a swap car I have to ask, what sort of brain is running the engine?

Yes, we did just have this exact conversation.

Presuming James hasn't smashed it with a hammer it's a super clean phone. Was Erica's and Jones' phone, so it has been well taken care of.

Honestly I would hate to have to chase a P0300 without a scan tool looking at some sort of data. So, don't be discouraged. Yes that list you provided gives some input, but there are a lot of other things not menioned that could cause it. I know that torn intake boots are somewhat common on this era Euro car. I know that the coil goes bad on these (not a cheap part to just throw at it). If it is a turbo car, that opens a whole mess of possible issues. Soft/torn intercooler hoses, vacuum lines broken etc.

Hail here, about 1/2" diameter. Ton's of water, we were grilling. Rolled grill into garage, finished up and packed it in. Kept a couple of the bigger ones in the freezer. Be safe out there Chad, jeebus.

Epic.