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Trump is just saying that because he's anti-Trump.

They sound like a bad skeptic too. Being a bad skeptic doesn't know party lines. This is meaningless. Why do you eat food when we can get all the energy we need from the air! "Food is necessary for life!" Hah! Do you hear the psychological conditioning? IF YOU CAN'T ASK WHY, YOUR [sIC] DOING SOMETHING WRONG! See, you can apply meaningless platitudes to support any nonsense.

lol that wasn't worth the energy it took my computer to render it.

Reuters. CBS News NYT Lots of news sources are reporting that doctors are prescribing it. The problem for Trump is that every single one of them, at least the reputable ones, is also saying in those very same articles "But it's unproven and could be dangerous," which is simply factual reporting based on the CDC, NIH, and WH CV response team messaging. So yes, it's been WIDELY reported that doctors are prescribing it, but also WIDELY reported that they're doing so without any official guidance behind its use. That seems perfectly fair.

I'll take that bet. So what, the loudest person on the NIH CV-19 panel drowned out everyone else? What are you basing that on? A hunch? Gut feeling? Lacking any evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to believe that the NIH didn't come to its conclusions based on facts and science. That's a very factual, logical way to view the world, wouldn't you agree?

I think the problem is that some of you think "the media" is the pundits on MSNBC or CNN making fun of Trump all day. Those fucks are as worthless as Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity. I can't do anything if someone wants to go on TV and hate on Obama for 23.5 hours a day, or likewise if they hate on Trump for 23.5 hours a day. I wish I could. All I can do is encourage people to be better skeptics. At least in this case the criticism of Trump that he's recommending a treatment that his own experts aren't is factual. It's something that's really happening. And we can and should all be upset at that lack of leadership.

I disagree. Everyone in this thread seems to be aware of the limited medical professional support for it. Where do you think we're learning about that? The media is reporting on it. That's how we know about it. At the end of the day, though, the NIH says: Seems pretty clear to me. Why does Trump feel the need to undermine those recommendations? Is it because he's such an expert on CV-19 treatment?

I mean, you're not wrong in that there is some medical support for it. There's also some medical support against it. It's inconclusive enough that the WH CV response team is not recommending it. The problem is that Trump then gets up there and says, "Well I don't care what they say, I like it." If he was your crazy Fox News uncle then that'd be fine, but it's pretty fucked up for the POTUS to contradict his own experts on a near daily basis. It sows confusion and doubt in a time where it would be really nice if everyone was listening to the experts.

Again, Trump's own experts are not recommending it. This is not a "the media" problem. Christ, there's nothing you guys won't blame on the media. All you have to do is watch the press conferences where Trump's experts have to come up to the mic and correct the dumb shit that he says to know that he's laughable.

There are individual doctors recommending it's use prophylactically, sure. There are even some studies that show a benefit. It's far from conclusive which is why the CDC nor any actual medical organization is recommending it yet.

Trump is not listening to his own doctors. How do you square that with your notion that people should listen to doctors?

I think we all know that, but that doesn't make Trump pimping it contrary to his own experts' advice any less stupid. He also talks about using it prophylactically, which is less common than the "last resort" use it sounds like you're talking about.

Eating right and taking care of your body is a liberal conspiracy, just like the rona birus. Ain't no commie gonna tell me to wear a mask or not stuff my face with tendies.

I stand by my intentionally vague statement. Masks are good public health policy, they're not a panacea. My sister in law was apparently yelling at people in parks this weekend for not wearing masks on the trails. People are nutty right now. I just think people need to step back and realize that homemade masks are not the make-or-break solution some people want it to be. Interesting. I went to 5th, both employees had masks down around their chins, even when dealing with customers. There were maybe 8 customers in the store while I was there, only 1 other guy had a mask on. I noticed similar trends at Ace. Grocery stores seem to have much higher mask usage; that's the extent of my data points, I haven't gone anywhere else.

It's been a week since the general business reopening, anyone doing anything different? I went to Autozone for the first time since the shutdown on Saturday, but I guess they never closed anyway. 0 mask use in there, including employees. I've made a handful of trips inside Home Depot/Lowes/Ace in the last week as well, I'm finally running out of supplies for all of my ongoing projects. Mask use is pretty intermittent in there. I'm not sure if there's a class divide or if the political divide in this country is now just very visible, but for example Whole Foods represents almost 100% mask use by customers and more blue collar venues seem much less so. I did have to remind my wife that wearing a mask barely did anything and so she shouldn't shit on people not wearing one. I think we all pretty quickly forgot 2 short months ago when Amy Acton wasn't even on the mask train, and now people act like not wearing a mask will give everyone cancer. Oh I also scheduled a haircut for next week. My stylist is morbidly obese, I feel somewhat bad booking an appointment since she's clearly high risk but I've got drill coming up soon and my hair is so luscious right now that I don't want to just shave it all off.

http://www.columbusracing.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1975895#post1975895

Since the other thread is glitchy now

And 99.5% of that 70% will be just fine, but that's still 1.5+ million dead in a relatively short period of time. Like I said, that's unprecedented in our lifetimes. I get that this isn't the 3-7% killer of all ages we feared when all we had was data coming out of hard hit areas of Iran, Italy, and China, but I don't know what an appropriate amount of alarm is for a once-every-hundred-years scale epidemic. Seems like "a lot" is appropriate, but I dunno. Regardless, as of Friday pretty much everything is open in Ohio, right? Minus some recreation/entertainment facilities. Personally I'm not in any rush to get out there but for all the protesters and rabble-rousers, we're pretty much back to business as usual just like everyone wanted.

And 99.5% of that 70% will be just fine, but that's still 1.5+ million dead in a relatively short period of time. Like I said, that's unprecedented in our lifetimes. I get that this isn't the 3-7% killer of all ages we feared when all we had was data coming out of hard hit areas of Iran, Italy, and China, but I don't know what an appropriate amount of alarm is for a once-every-hundred-years scale epidemic. Seems like "a lot" is appropriate, but I dunno. Regardless, as of Friday pretty much everything is open in Ohio, right? Minus some recreation/entertainment facilities. Personally I'm not in any rush to get out there but for all the protesters and rabble-rousers, we're pretty much back to business as usual just like everyone wanted.

Let me ask you this. When, in your lifetime, has a virus been the #1 cause of death, for any time period, in the United States? The answer, unless you're over 102 years old, is April 2020. And that's WITH a massive, coordinated lockdown and social distancing effort. #1 cause of death. For a solid month. Only time it's ever happened in my 40 years on this planet. eta: My point is, yes, they can't all be the black death or Spanish flu, but THIS ONE is pretty goddamn bad.

In regards to the citation itself, I agree that it's frustrating to see parks and stuff packed with people while an event like this is treated like the worst sin in the world. But I don't put much on whatever verbal agreement he thought he had. The stay-at-home order is pretty clear, no gatherings for purposes of entertainment or recreation until May 29, even if outdoors, excepting certain business categories. I'm not sure why Mid-Ohio thinks they're going to get approval from the State authorities, but regardless, and crucially, they're WAITING FOR APPROVAL FROM THE STATE AUTHORITIES. That this guy squinted at the stay-at-home order and thought that a handshake deal from some local official would be enough seems pretty naive.

So just to clarify, citation and arrest are two different things. The citation is the issuance of the charge, the arrest is just the temporary detention while the charge is issued. Arrest is just a word that means "stop," like cardiac arrest. In one manner of thinking, all traffic stops are arrests, but I believe the US common law legal system has carved out a different category for traffic stops because police have less power to search someone. Regardless, the lines between a questioning, a detention, an arrest, or whatever other term you want to use for an LEO stopping a human being are trivia for supreme court nerds. The point is, the SHERIFF said he arrested Mr Thomakos. The media reported what the sheriff said. There's hardly any room for manipulation there. Unless you expect journalists to always make clear the difference between an arrest to issue a citation and throwing someone in county jail, but at some point it's our responsibility as good citizens to know how to parse the words of our elected officials (which Sheriffs are). In that sense it's good to know that when a Sheriff says he arrested someone, it doesn't necessarily mean they were thrown in the klink. I'm glad you learned something today, but I still see absolutely no wrongdoing on the part of the media.

So which part of the media reports were wrong? eta: Arrest does necessarily mean physical arrest, it just doesn't necessarily mean cuffed and hauled off to central booking. I was arrested once, ironically in Hamilton County, issued a citation, and sent on my way. I was not cuffed but I was put in the back of a patrol car while my citation was issued. I was not free to leave. It's a pretty lame example of being arrested, but it doesn't mean I wasn't. Likewise, it appears that Thomakos was arrested, issued a citation, and then presumably sent on his way. This is documented in public records. The Hamilton County Sheriff relayed this information to reporters, who appear to have correctly relayed it to us. There is no lie, there is no manipulation. Your two sources were wrong. This took me like 2 minutes to fact check while lying in bed with a hangover. Be. a. better. skeptic.

So I went to Google News and searched Edgewater, founda lot of stories from local news quoting Hamilton County sheriff saying that Stanley Thomakos was arrested. I then went to the Hamilton County Clerk of Courts and looked up cases against Stanley Thomakos. https://imgur.com/a/pW1iybJ Whoopsie!

Jesus, there will be riots. Golf carts mobs of people hopped up on summer shandy calling for blood.