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<heavy breathing> Which axle did you put the wider wheels on?

Facepalm.

Half the time I go to the store now they're out of tofu. #realproblems

That's true, they're all in the pockets of Big Toenail anyway, that's why you never hear anything about the ingrown toenail scam doctors have been pulling for YEARS and costing us trillions.

So I think it's worth asking the question -- if all experts tend to agree that COVID-19 is being underreported, then why does Fox News and Gateway Pundit and other conservative media seem to be pushing stories suggesting the opposite? What interest do they have in downplaying the threat? If you want to put a tinfoil hat on, there you go. Follow that paper trail.

I get that. But the same argument can be made for ANY medical treatment. Do doctors get any financial gain for treating ingrown toenails? The answer is yes. Now what? "Follow the paper trail!" The paper trail says that hospitals get paid for providing treatments. Anything beyond that at this point is pure conjecture, as far as I know. I've seen no evidence to suggest that anything is being inflated, and pretty much all experts, even Steve Jensen, agree that the opposite is true. COVID-19 cases and deaths are likely being underreported right now.

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Define "financial gain." Are hospitals turning a profit right now? Is there any evidence of false diagnoses? Have whistleblowers come forward with recordings of hospital administrators instructing their staff to inflate numbers? Do you have ANY EVIDENCE that this is anything more than a conspiracy theory, or are you Just Asking Questions?

This is one of those things where TV and movies have caused people to think the world is more organized than it is. Say a patient is brought in unresponsive with a racing pulse. They suffer a stroke and die. Cause of death = stroke. But then they're tested for drugs and they're high out of their minds on meth. Cause of death = meth overdose. But did the meth cause the stroke? Maybe they would have had that stroke regardless, and the meth was a coincidence. Who knows?! All the doctors know is that there was a stroke, and there was a lot of meth, and so they write both down. Anyone compiling statistics on meth overdoses will include that death in their numbers. And generally the world agrees with that approach -- there's no pro-meth lobby accusing doctors of inflating meth related deaths for personal gain.

Conspiracy theory.

I'm just trying to help people understand the world better, I'm not mad about anything. Was that seriously your takeaway? Do you think COVID-19 cases are being overcounted to scam medicare? eta: If there's one thing this board really believes in, it's that the media is bad. Well here you go, a great, glaring example of Fox News spreading misinformation. You're welcome.

This is straight up CT nonsense. Don't believe the bodies you see! Don't believe the overwhelmed hospitals you see! Don't believe the PPE shortages you see! Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes! Remember when I said some of you are terrible skeptics? Let me help you out. If COVID-19 patients cost more money -- say they required more staff, or more PPE, or more expensive treatments -- then it would make sense that hospitals get more money from medicare for them. And we know all of those things to be true. So there's a logical explanation. But also, we've seen in this thread that a lot of medical staff are out of work. That's because DeWine shut down all non-essential medical procedures. Hospitals are BLEEDING right now, which would be another logical reason for them to get more money from medicare for COVID patients. It's a fucking bailout, to keep them afloat and encourage them not to shut down in the middle of a pandemic. So the CT is that evil hospital administrators are smart enough to make up a pandemic in order to get more money, but too dumb to shut the whole thing down when it completely backfires and they don't make more money. But let's take a step back and look at "the media" and where this CT came from. Scott Jensen, Minnesota Senator ® and actual medical doctor went on Laura Ingraham's show a few weeks ago and "blasted" the then new CDC guidelines that allowed hospitals to count COVID-19 deaths without a test -- guidelines that were widely publicized, publicly implemented here in Ohio, and make perfect sense given the lack of tests and the obviousness of the cases involved. What a scandal! Hospitals now have free reign to overstate COVID patients! You know you can trust him because he's a Republican, and he's on Fox News and not some liberal bullshit show. Conservative news certainly trust him, as this segment spread like wildfire. Gateway Pundit covered it 4 times! But the thing is, this is all hypothetical -- there's 0 evidence that anyone is inflating anything. And in fact, Scott Jensen, the man you can trust, says: So there you have it. Right from the trusted source. COVID-19 deaths are being incorrectly reported, but in the exact opposite way that you want them to be. There are MORE than being reported. And after being raked over the coals, Scott Jensen has spent the last several weeks going back and forth between furious backpedaling and stoking rebellion. I never said hospitals WERE inflating the numbers, he says to people angry at him for spreading fear and misinformation, I just said they COULD be, he says to drooling morons who are looking for anything to support what they want to believe. Hope that helps you be a better skeptic in the future.

I wonder if that was a PCA decision. Seems like Mid-Ohio itself is still under the impression that they can open. Which... I don't get. I sat down tonight and looked at the "Responsible Reopen" website, specifically continued business closures: I don't know which one of those a private racetrack falls under but they certainly should not be opening on May 12th. Anyway, based on that guidance and DeWine extending the stay-at-home order today indefinitely, I emailed Auto Interests and told them I wouldn't be attending on the 18th. Frankly it'd be a violation of the order if I did. NASA is a bit trickier for me, I'm hoping they cancel that one themselves, but ultimately the same decision would apply.

Where'd you see that? As of Tuesday Auto Interests had moved their May 11 event to May 18, based on the May 12 general business reopening. Still not sure that's kosher with the gathering size limit but they seemed pretty confident.

Yes, it continues past May 1st, no end date on that yet. The prohibition makes no mention of indoors/outdoors -- "All public and private gatherings of any number of people occurring outside a single household or living unit are prohibited... Any gathering of more than ten people is prohibited unless exempted by this Order." Auto Interests has said they won't hold in-person driver's meetings. Classroom sessions are also going to be streaming, I think. There's also provisions about instruction (lead/follow, etc) but I think it all hinges on what counts as a "gathering." If we all show up, stay in our respective squares in the paddock, and don't co-mingle, is that a "gathering"? That's the kind of shenanigans I worry about that would put me in a spot. I got the same email about Memorial Day, I'm planning on doing the TREC race that Friday and whether or not that event proceeds as planned determines how concerned I am about the engine not being in the car at the moment....

So obviously the big question is track days, I can't see anything resuming with this "no gatherings over 10 people" prohibition still in place. A couple of CDIs have reached out basically trying to get a feel for who's willing to instruct still, I was waiting to respond. My position has been that I'll do whatever the governor says, so this pretty much means I'm out, but I hadn't considered what I'll do if even organizers push ahead despite the guidance.

Fuck Peppa Pig

Inspired by Clay. Tiger King of course. Binge watching My 600-lb Life while sewing masks 2007/2008 F1 seasons on F1TV Watching S1 of True Detective again. Great tits in that. Watched Free Solo finally -- amazing documentary Once Upon a Time in Hollywood -- meh

Don't tell Trump, he might start having his doctors look into it.

Yeah I was going to say, who did Kansas piss off? But I can't imagine they're doing a lot of testing in Kansas.

I filed my taxes very early this year, like first week of Feb. I wonder if that has anything to do with getting my Trump bux quickly.

Is one of those chronic health conditions being a tubby lard bucket? (Ohio looks around nervously).

That seems to be the case, like I said I was surprised to see money in my account last week so I looked it up.

I wasn't expecting money but I didn't realize the per-child payment wasn't income dependent. I'd say these little fuckers are paying for themselves but I'm sure I'm still in the hole about 100k per snot factory. Honestly I have spending a bit more on them lately, I feel bad for them being cooped up all day.

Agreed. I think they keep saying, "Things aren't going to be the same," and people hear what they want to hear.