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Who's gonna do more track days, Kerry or Mike? See y'all at mid-o

Nice looking car, well done

Pssh, I have it on good authority that the failing new york times is fake news.

Details about this fucking mountain? Sounds hot

You're right, Mace, it's not a huge burden and I don't think voter ID laws are resulting in millions of lost votes. But it's still a solution in search of a problem. You could argue that it's not a huge burden to make everyone bring a pickle to the polls, and you'd be right, but why would you?

Make an effort people, this is the laziest form of arguing you can do. Have some pride in your posts. Geeto has presented evidence to support his position and you think he's arrived at that position without the evidence anyway.

Y'all aren't even making an effort at trying to change Geeto's mind, though. Hey Geeto, what would it take to change your mind on voter ID? Don't worry, I'll answer for you: evidence. Same here. If someone presented factual evidence that in person voter fraud was a problem, and that voter ID would solve it, Kerry would change his mind in a heartbeat. Same here. I guarantee it. But none of you have bothered to find this evidence. Instead you just rant like Fox News grandpas about how obvious it is that your viewpoint is correct and how everyone needs to get off your lawn.

Fucking commies forgot what America is all about. Freedom, man. Voter ID is another anti-libertarian movement.

Well on the one hand Kerry posted links to 5 sources and took the time to explain his position. On the other hand, you used a rolleye smiley and said fuck a bunch. Guess the truth is somewhere in the middle. Let me ask you Tim, what would make you change your mind on this or any other topic?

How much of this can be blamed on Trump though? Ordinarily I'd say a president doesn't have much actual influence over the economy... Trump is somewhat unique in that his trade wars have had a measurable impact on certain markets, but my gut tells me this potential recession is based on longer trends and doesn't actually have anything to do with him. But I'm curious about your take since I don't follow these things that closely.

To some extent that's my own bias. It's a lot easier for me to roll my eyes and ignore some bullshit on Huffpo than it is to roll my eyes and ignore some bullshit from Breitbart. Part of that is subject matter, but part of that also is reflex -- the conservative media has been lying to the American people for decades, and it's only been in the last 3 years that the liberal media has even become a "thing" on the same level as Fox and its ilk. I have started criticizing people recently for reading garbage left-wing media sources (mostly elsewhere, obviously) in the same way that I criticize a lot of you here for reading Daily Caller and other garbage right-wing media sources. It is frustrating to see the left leverage these bullshit tactics more and more, but there's no denying that all they're doing is taking pages out of the Rupert Murdoch playbook. I don't think we need to start CR's 11ty billionth gun debate but let's just say I was educated on definitions and risk, and I changed my mind.

Sorry Kerry, you're right of course -- I did the same thing to you that I've accused others of doing to me. You're definitely left of me but in this narrow space where we're both crammed into "raging liberal loon" status by CR it's hard to see the nuance.

I wish conservatives did too. eta: But seriously, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Rather than just taking the obvious lead here to say, "Yes, Trump has faults that I don't like," you made it all about scoring points against liberals. Why? I qualified twice on the M16 and once on the M9, that doesn't make me an expert on barrel length and bayonet attachments. I'm willing to admit that. If I ever have to actually pick up arms to defend the country we're already fucked.

I don't expect everyone here to remember every detail about my political views, but it is something I've stated several times. A couple of points on this though -- 1) Aside from Kerry this board is very conservative. Yes, I know most of us like to think that we're enlightened centrists, but here I think it's safe to say that someone like me who argues against conservatism at all would naturally seem like an outlier. I'd argue that this is because the board skews right, though. 2) On a board full of conservatives, in a thread where people argue and debate, there's just not going to be a lot of examples of me arguing in favor of certain conservative view points, not because I don't hold many, but simply because there's no one to argue against. I can and have disagreed with Kerry on a number of things but he's literally the only one, and it's likely that you weren't paying attention because it's hard to read everything Kerry writes as it is. 3) I have absolutely no love for the Republican party, and I think a lot of the things that we end up going back and forth on are precisely the things that libertarians disagree with conservatives on. As a few examples, I'm in favor of open borders. This is a libertarian and ONLY a libertarian position, as both Democrats and Republicans are anti-immigration to some extent. I'm in favor of trans rights (and gay rights before that), which again is a liberal position but is also something that libertarians and conservatives don't agree with. I'm pro-science (again, a libertarian position) and therefore I believe global warming is real, and while I don't profess to know what role government should play in solving it I know that I hate Republicans who won't even admit that it's a problem that humans have caused. Etc. I'm not a strict libertarian, which is why I describe myself as "left leaning" -- as a practical matter I'm in favor of UHC, social security, and a central bank. But I won't get into all of that. Lastly, in the last 2 years Trump has dominated a lot of these discussions, and I don't think a lot of Trump's antics fall neatly along partisan ideology. He's an authoritarian bully with an extremely divisive and ineffective "leadership" style. Like Clay, I'm baffled as to how conservatives fell in line so quickly behind Trump and seem so eager to write off criticisms of his faults as "liberal whining." The dude has faults, and I wish more people held him accountable for those faults instead of finding ways to turn those criticisms against liberals. My views on gun control have changed a lot, largely from early arguments on this board. I've stated several times that I'm in favor of the 2nd amendment and personal ownership of firearms, but I previously was OK with state restrictions as a matter of states rights, and I was OK with an assault weapons ban because I was ignorant about assault weapons. I've since changed my stance on both, although I've certainly argued that being allowed to own a gun doesn't mean that it's good if everyone does. As long as you're observing I'm happy to engage! Let's maybe consider, though, that the reason nobody here ever changes their mind on anything is because very few people actually make a good faith effort at persuasion. Kerry writes really long posts full of facts and persuasive arguments and he gets ridiculed for it. I sometimes spend the time writing long posts (like this one) and generally get no response, except a few weeks later someone will accuse me of being closed minded and unwilling to engage in debate. That's frustrating. I'm putting in the time to talk and I'll always listen.

You know, I'm a libertarian. I like to read, I like to challenge my positions. I like to read both sides, Fox, daily caller, all kinds of shit, to try and figure out what other people are thinking. I don't think your opinion matters unless you can argue the other side just as eloquently. That's a personal mantra of mine. It's a value I hold. I try really, really hard to present my ideas based on facts here, to see the world how it really is. I try really hard to engage with you folks on an intellectual level. And in this case, we're debating a single sentence in a letter Barr wrote to congress. Panduh quoted that sentence, I challenged him on it because I didn't remember it, and he pointed out the exact page so I could go look it up. I DID go look it up. And I thought about it. And I disagreed with his interpretation. And THEN HE SAID MY INTERPRETATION WAS FAIR. What a beautiful moment of a true exchange of ideas on CR politics. He made me question my position, I thought about it, he thought about it. Thinking! AND THEN you have the nerve to dismiss all of that by just saying I'm "too far left," which dismisses the entire exchange and also misses my political stance entirely. It's frustrating. Gah!

You're soooo good looking.

U.S. Posts The Biggest Monthly Budget Deficit In American History

It's true though....

I mean we already know they met with them in Trump tower and only didn't collude because they weren't impressed with what was offered, not because of a moral objection.

I see it now. That's not my interpretation of that sentence.

Well that's all a load of hogwash. You said "reading the report", I thought you meant the actual report had been released. You meant reading some opinion piece. What are you referring to where the campaign turned away meddlers? What's your source on that?

Huh?

Yeah, we've got Hillary emails to investigate according to Lindsay Graham. Better not dwell on the past

So the dems didn't get what they wanted and Americans put some criminals away. How is this not a win in your book? Wasn't this whole thing good?

A witch hunt that caught actual witches, though.