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Geeto, I only read the first 6 words of your last post but I feel comfortable saying that the whole thing was a pointless tangent. Western Union told me.

Wait, are you saying that the facts are biased? That simply by telling the viewer that he was wrongly convicted they're somehow being unfair?

You didn't say it was crap, you said it was biased. He's right, the entire first episode is about the overturned 1983 conviction; if viewers aren't familiar with the case, they don't even find out about the Halbach murder until the very end of that episode. FWIW, the RadioLab episode is also about that overturned conviction, and doesn't really get into the murder at all. So it's not at all clear what information you're using to call the filmmakers biased, unless you're just regurgitating others things you've read, but you're far to smart to do that, right?

Geeto could work for the MCPD, he doesn't need any evidence to know that the filmmakers are biased.

There was enough of Teresa's blood in the RAV4 to make it almost a certainty that she was transported in it at some point, sure. The prosecution claims that Avery killed her in the garage and then used the RAV4 to transport her the 30 or 50 feet to his burn pit, which seems unlikely. But if you think there's a reasonable possibility that Steven's blood and sweat were planted on the RAV4, which I do, then there's nothing else tying him to it or putting him inside of it, whether it was in his driveway or some ways down the road. Someone was in it, sure, but not him. We'll just have to agree to disagree about how likely his IQ would make it that he would murder someone for a simple romantic rejection, a rejection for which we have no evidence of taking place. You could also argue that she told him a riddle, and his mental retardation caused him to get confused and angry that he couldn't solve the riddle, so he killed her. "What has four legs and one foot!?! Hulk angry, you die now!"

The Atlantic ran a story that goes along with what you're saying. Basically, liberals rail against mandatory minimums when they're used to lock up teenage marijuana peddlers for ridiculous terms, and libertarians are generally against government overreaches like the patriot act and other "anti-terrorism" laws that are used for everything but. The Hammond cause is something that could get some real bi-partisan support. Dwight and Steve sound like dickbags, but I could totally understand and get behind a protest about the length of their prison sentence and the manner in which it was obtained. But then these "militiamen" had to go and make their actual protest about federal ownership of land altogether, and bring their guns along to do it.

He pointed a gun at his cousin because she was being a bitch to him (at least that's what the documentary said). Even if that was misrepresented, they'd clearly engaged in previous arguments. If she ended up murdered, then it'd look pretty bad for him (although that was 20 years prior; that's a hell of a grudge). As it was, Avery had no history of pointing his gun at random women. Your other scenario still requires Steve to have just snapped and killed someone on a flimsy pretext. He propositions someone 20 years his junior, with all her teeth and a college degree, and gets all murdery when he's rejected? Seems like quite a stretch. For that matter, while the ex-boyfriend and roommate seem a bit shifty, and the Scott Tadych/Bobby Dassey thing seems suspicious, I haven't heard of a plausible motive for any of them either. Partly that's because the defense was prohibited from presenting alternate suspects, partly that's because the police didn't investigate anyone else. I think that's one of the reasons why this case (and others like it, like Adnan Syed) are so interesting. There's a dead person, and no real good reason why. It's very unsatisfying but it keeps your interest. It's also why the exoneration for the 1983 rape case was so satisfying; not only did they find a pube from the other guy, but he had a long history of sexual assault, whereas Avery had none.

But why? Avery had no motive. His criminal history was pretty minor, and he was on the cusp of being a millionaire. The only conceivable motive was rape, but there's no physical evidence for that, the only rape story put forward (Brendan's) is a complete fabrication due to a lack of any DNA in the trailer, and Avery had no history of sexual assault. Were that theory to be true, we'd have to believe that Avery just snapped and did something completely out of character for no reason at all.

The sweat on the hood latch wasn't mentioned, but the DNA on the bullet fragment was covered extensively. The crime lab had to make an exception to its own policy to include it as evidence because the control sample was tainted, and the defense submitted evidence that the crime lab was given explicit instructions to "put Teresa Halbach in the house or the garage." Granted, that was months before the bullet was found, but this is the sort of small-scale corruption that happens all the time in crime labs. A case is stalled for months, a new piece of evidence comes in... like the defense attorneys said, when police departments plant or fabricate evidence, they don't do it to frame people they think are innocent. Everyone justifies it by saying, "Well, we all know he's guilty but if we can't put the case together he might walk!" And a bunch of little white lies can stack up. I think this is one of those. AFAIK, none of Halbach's DNA was found in the trailer.

IMO, they didn't leave anything that damning out. Here's the cliffs: - Avery didn't use his own name when he requested the photographer, instead he used the name of the car's owner. - Avery called Halbach's cell phone 3 times that day, twice using *67 - A receptionist at Autotrader recounted a day that Halbach complained about Avery being a creeper, including one time when he opened the door in a towel (this wasn't allowed to be admitted at the trial because it was too vague) - Avery had shackles and leg irons in his house that he'd bought a few weeks prior - Avery's sweat DNA was on the hood latch of the RAV4 The first 4 bullet points impugn Avery's character but, again my opinion, don't rise to the level of physical evidence that times him to the murder. So he was creepy and he may or may not have a good explanation for why he did some of those things. I think those minor details that were omitted pale in comparison to the most damning evidence against him, which was that A) he was the last known person to see Halbach alive, and B) her bones were found in his back yard. It seems pretty self evident to me that the key was planted, and in all likelihood the bullet; I also believe that the DNA on both the key and the bullet were added by the MCPD and/or the crime lab. The RAV4 seems sketchy as hell and I'm willing to give Avery the benefit of the doubt on that. But the bones, the bones weren't found by anyone associated with Manitowac county, and they wouldn't have had any time to plant them there. The defense argued rather well that they were most likely moved there from another burn site, but it's still pretty damning that they ended up in Steven Avery's burn pit on the night that Steven Avery was burning a bunch of stuff.

Right, I'd read all of that on another site (apparently copy/pasta'd, it's all over all of the conservative "news" blogs). If you click down at the bottom where it says "more citations here," which I did because I was wondering where all of this information came from that no mainstream news source was able to get, it takes you to (wait for it) Ammon Bundy's blog. Yup, like I said upthread, he's the only source of all of this info about the Hammonds being pressured into selling their land. Now, it may very well be true, but I've yet to find anything close to a reputable source for it. Appreciate the effort, though.

I would have said something along the lines of what others suggested, "I lost a $50 when I was sitting here, did you happen to see anything when you sat down?" Partly because $50 is $50, and partly because he did nothing to justify keeping it. I wouldn't necessarily have expected him to turn it in, but I would expect him to hand it over without feeling bad about it. If he said no, he didn't find anything, I'd probably pussy out and just secretly hate him until he died.

The media is not calling them terrorists. They've been generally calling them protesters, but are settling in on the word "militants." Lest you think that this is something they pulled out of their asses, the Oregonian discusses what goes into choosing a label like this (they don't choose it lightly). That said, there are a lot of people, mostly liberals, who want the media to call them terrorists, but that's not because they actually think they're terrorists. It's just that if they were Muslim and the media was calling them protesters, guess who'd be falling all over themselves to call them terrorists? I think liberals think they're pointing out hypocrisy, but it just makes them look dumb. I'm not usually a big fan of "But both sides do it!" arguments, but in this case, the shoe fits. Both sides get absolutely moronic when it comes to these little things that don't really matter. Shame the giant eye roll smiley has already been wasted in this thread.

Their end goal is that they want all federally owned land turned over to private citizens. No mention of how any of that would work, or how much land they want turned over. Their general schtick is that they don't believe the federal government has the constitutional authority to own land.

I got 10 "holes" into that first link before I couldn't take it anymore; the author has no idea what a plot hole actually is. Hint: coincidences or improbable events are not plot holes. For instance, #3, the fight between Finn and Kylo. If we were told previously, either via dialog or example, that non-force users were physical incapable of wielding a light saber, and also told that Finn was definitely not a force user, and then he proceeded to wield a light saber, that would be a plot hole. But none of that is true. Kylo was severely injured by a shot to the gut from Chewie's bowcaster, and had lost a lot f blood; we've also seen previously that force users like to toy with their opponents in battle. The fact that this fight isn't as over as quickly as some viewers might have liked is simply a matter of opinion, not a plot hole, at least not according to any reasonable definition of plot hole. /nerd rage

Oh please, if they don't act now, their 80% majority and total pop-culture domination of an entire month might wane slightly! It's crisis time! Get this guy with your candy cane dicks too, brothers!

That doctor was the best thoracic surgeon in the area. When he had to leave for an emergency family situation, an 8-year-old girl's cancer surgery was handed off to an inferior surgeon and she died on the table. Thanks, grandpa. /plot twist Also, grandpa was a former SS officer. /plot twist

Get 'im, boys! He's one of them. Paint your dick like a candy cane and ram it down his throat or else the PC police have already won. /no homo

You go girl! Don't let the man get you down! Haters gonna hate! The Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear!

Nobody can, not even the "experts".

Hey guys, have any of you seen Doug DeMuro and Geeto67 in the same room together?

Clarkson is a self-absorbed narcissist, but he has just enough awareness of it that it works. Jack Baruth is an obnoxious narcissist, but he manages to be entertaining enough that I'll give him a pass. Doug DeMuro's cardinal sin is that he's an insecure narcissist who manages not to be funny 99% of the time, even though he tries really hard.

Yes, but what have they spent the money on so far? They say they need another $230 million to actually acquire the production plant, tooling and build out the assembly lines, as well as finalizing the design and whatnot. That's, you know, all the expenses you expect when someone starts a new car company. But they have none of that, they have a few prototype motorcycles with Suzuki engines. It just seems like $53 million is a staggering amount to have spent to be where they're at.

How in the hell have they spent $53 million already? If they made $1500 per Elio, they'd have to sell 35,000 of 'em just to break even, assuming they go to market tomorrow...

You may have heard pundits speculating, I'm pretty sure you didn't hear Obama talk about workplace violence. And FTR, it's hard to have a serious discussion when you keep calling him the idiot in charge, especially while claiming he said something that he didn't.