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Wtf, lol. Craziness, awesome craziness.

 

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I wish I liked Bourbon more, but I just can't get into it. I've had a few that I liked, but mostly stick with Canadians and blends.

Best bourbon I've had would be select, surprising caramel for the abv:

Looking forward to seeing this progress. Great work so far.

 

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I just got back from Dallas. 3 days of going up and down to the 68th floor conference room. It's times like that I try to forget whats going on with the machinery around me. [emoji38]

 

 

 

 

 

LOL. Well played.

 

http://www.COLUMBUSELELATORRACING.com

Hey, I just thought that maybe being a bunch of somewhat like-minded mechanical guys, you might find some of it as interesting as I do.

 

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The 560 has a cool 90's look to it. I was surprised at the flares and width of the rear tires. Sounds like it would be a fun little car.

 

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Saw these in a basement today. Does anyone know what this Mercedes is??

 

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1950 Otis this morning. The controller isn't all that impressive, but the machine is cool because it's a basement mounted traction. Lots of rope.

 

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Not really into anything specific, we both arent super into outdoors type stuff. Mainly entertainment, which obviously Vegas has a lot of

Sounds a little crazy, but flights to San Diego are really cheap in October. My wife and I are kinda forced to travel there next month because of a sick family member, so we were looking for ways to make it a vacation.

We may do something like this:

https://www.enterprise.com/en/road-trips/san-diego-to-san-francisco-pacific-coast-highway.html

Seems pretty entertaining, and you could rent a fun car for two pretty reasonably.

 

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Unfortunately you just missed the test for the Columbus local. Cinci, Toledo, and Cleveland all have their own though. Ours will probably open again next summer. Basically you test/interview and it places you ones hiring list based on your score. You don't have to leave your current job until you get the call that you're picked up.

 

It is the dreaded union though!!! Lol. As I said in the other thread, I wasn't/am not the biggest union supporter, but for $100k+ and free benefits, watcha gonna do. I guess I can be bought.

I actually enjoy my job most of the time.

 

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Next time I’m in our office I’ll snap some photos. I believe we made a bunch of that gearing!

That would be really cool!

 

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Really cool!

 

Do you ever get rid of any of the stuff you find like this?

Yeah, I don't have quite as much access on maintenance as I did when I was modifying old cars, but I still see it. Lots of stainless doors like my other post. I saved this 40lb solid brass gear out of a 1950's Otis.

 

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Soooo, those pullies shittily bolted to a 2x are holding up an elevator car?

Lol. The sheave with 6 steel ropes over it is holding up the car and counterweight. The machine is Mounted on structural steel beams.

The small ones carry the cable for the selector. It runs from the car, up over those pulleys, then down to a gear reduction that drives the two chains you see on either side of the selector carriage. The whole setup is based on that gear ratio matching the scale of that selector vs the hoistway.

 

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It reminds me of a music box or a player piano.....wait is the elevator car "reading" (triggering?) things on the wall of the shaft as it descends? way cool.

 

When I lived in Boston I lived in an old building that had a manual lever operated art deco trellis style elevator. Because I was a teenager I figured slamming it full one way and then the other was a way to make it jump on the cable. I do miss some of those old details these days.

A lot of the old timers called these music box selectors.

Yeah, even the new cars get magnetic switches and cams mounted up and down the hoistway. They tell the car when to slowdown, when it's in a door zone, where in the shaft it is, etc....

 

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What kind of electricity do those run? 3-phase 480V?

Yes, it just depends on the elevator though. A lot of the older ones then had a DC generator attached to the machine, because we could control it a lot more smoothly than A/c motors.

Now they have drives that are much more sophisticated and control the current to the motor. We generally install Transformers and ckokes/filters in line before the elevator now.

 

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God I hate troubleshooting old relay stuff. We have presses from the 70s that have been added to and “renovated” a couple times. The prints are nonexistent at this point. I would imagine elevators are better documented due to safety and accountability?

Ummm, yeah...... Sure they are.

 

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I should have some better examples somewhere, but imagine troubleshooting this:

 

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Wait does this thing do any logic like an analog computer? If so that's fucking AWESOME.

Yeah, the old relay logic controllers used inputs from switches, buttons, etc.. to determine which combination of relay paths or "logic" it would take. So many moving parts for a simple action, but in many ways more dependable than the solid state controls on the new junk.

I'll see if I can dig up my pics of some of the big old Otis relay logic.

 

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I see this stuff all the time, and still think it's pretty cool, so I thought some of you might find it interesting.

This is an old Dover traction car. The relay and contactor setups are impressive, but the selector is really cool.

Basically picture the row of contacts that are moving up and down on the carriage as the elevator car, and the vertical rods as the hoistway. Each of those points on the verticals represents a floor, door zone, or slowdown. The carriage is driven by a cable attached to the car.

 

I can periodically post others if anyone's interested.

 

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Interesting. Can you guys elaborate on this? I know several people that worked for GM for many years, and they all say the exact opposite

I believe they followed the same labor practices as most factories in the early days of industry, it's not hard to find articles about early strikes and conditions.

My opinion is based more on the business practices. They simply followed a business/financial plan that didn't make sense. If your projections for future revenue can't cover the promises you're making today, then don't make them.

Some of this can be blamed on the union asking for too much, and they're paying for that as well. I ultimately hold GM responsible though, as they signed the contract. If they are going to agree to terms then they need to make sure that they can adhere to them. If it means not signing and more down time, that's the price of doing business.

I'm sure there are many happy people at GM, and most of those probably don't agree with the strike.

 

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What is the "awful lot" they want exactly?

 

 

 

as far as I can tell the workers want:

 

 

 

- An end to the 2 tiered wage system. For those who don't know there are 2 classes of GM employee - pre 2007 "first tier" employees, and post 2007 "second tier" employees. The difference in pay can be as much as 45% an hour between the two employee classes for the same work. This system was fought for by the automakers to help recover from the recession (and ultimate bailout). But guess what, that happened a long time ago. The second tier workers are basically treated like short time employees - they can't transfer without losing benefits and seniority and are subject to pay cuts, while 1st tier workers don't have this problem at all.

 

 

 

doesn't sound like a lot to ask for GM to get rid of a pay relic that creates division in it's work force. It also doesn't sound like everyone at the big three get great pay or great benefits. GM has made record profits under this tier system, and could have gotten rid of it a while ago without affecting that, but let's feed the top and not the worker, amirite?

 

 

 

- they are also looking for job security. GM has closed a lot of plants recently, is this really asking a lot for the rest of the workers to want to...ya know...make sure they aren't next?

 

 

 

- a path for temp employees to become permanent. Temp employees get very little as compared to permanent employees, and not all temps want to become permanent, but for those that do, shouldn't there be a path like at a lot of other places? doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

 

 

 

- a standard wage increase to meet inflation, healthcare with lower costs, and profit sharing plan for more than executive level employees. Every other industry already has a lot of this stuff, why is GM lagging, and why is it "a lot" for people to want it.

 

 

 

 

 

the sad part is, I don't think UAW is going to win this one. GM has been chipping away at worker's leverage for decades. They carry high inventory and have moved a lot off shore so that even if a strike shut down all US production it would only affect 28% of GM's operations. Also even at a cost of $50-100 million per day, GM's profits are enough for them to wait it out for longer than the UAW's strike fund will last.

Do you think there is much chance that the tier one employees would take a pay cut to a more appropriate range somewhere between current tier 1 and tier 2? If it meant an equal wage for all? Doubt it.

 

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Somehow I knew you would show up and be pro-union. :dumb:

 

 

 

Honda of America Manufacturing doesn't have a union, and they have all the things you listed. know why? CAUSE THEY TREAT THEIR EMPLOYEES FAIRLY. GM used to be a piece of shit company that abused its workers and now they get to deal with the aftermath of being shitty.

Very true, and I don't feel sorry for GM one bit. I wish I knew if they would be any different now if given the chance. Although, I also agree that Honda, etc... Wouldn't offer the benefits they do if it weren't for the battle fought by the original labor unions.

America's real problem is this "too big to fail" problem we've run into. If GM goes under, there are a lot of Americans with no jobs and nowhere to get new ones. So, what's the answer to regulating what the unions can demand?

To me it sounds like Union workers who value their job and appreciate what they have need to be able to stand up to the union and work anyway or denounce it.

 

Geeto, what, if any, regulations are in place to prevent GM from offering a package to employees to go non-union? is there anything legally keeping them from offering what they feel is a fair wage and benefits package in return for being a non-union employee? a surprising number of people may choose this over losing their jobs.

 

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I prefer my $7 glasses with a tornado and a gatorade.

 

 

 

Is it really worth ~$190ish more?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. I'll have to take time to go look at some. I don't like metal frames and nose pads though. I'll need to look at different types.

Nope, try on the nylon frames, not metal.

 

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True, it'd be hard for anyone to argue that these companies would treat workers decently without the unions.

Cordell, I'm really surprised that they've never tried to unionize the mechanics. Do you Know any history behind that?

I suppose we could argue that these employees don't have to work there if they don't like it, But we all know it's not that simple and leads to a much larger discussion.

 

 

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I am a Union Elevator Mechanic that was not a Union fan before getting into the trade, and still disagree with a lot of the union philosophy/practice. I'm busy right now, but will definitely return to this thread in a bit for discussion.

I basically feel like there are different types of unions and very different levels of usefulness/corruption/pieces of shit.

Gov unions - shit

Factory unions -some shit, some not

Private sector unions - much less shit

 

Basically, if my union does bad work, we don't work. Customers are not captive to hire us, they can hire non union companies as well. This keeps us competitive and encourages training and quality work.

I need to do some reading on GMs union structure to make educated comments, but it sure seems like a lot of people would like to have the pay/benefits they carry. (If you can find the ones willing to work)

 

Like most things, greed and laziness ruin it.

$200 for those...I don't get it. Shrug.jif

Try some out. I'm not saying you have to spend $200 to get good glasses, just that these are amazing, comfort and lense wise.

 

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