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lol alright, guys. clearly, the misuse of technical writing on my part while arguing my stance totally negates my point. lesson learned. i'll try to do better next time i have a differing opinion of the horde. as you were....

true, but she would still be conscience and able to break her fall even given the possiblility of falling backward. i think the most previous point, and i think a good one, is the possible effect of the voltage/amperage of the tazer on brain and heart function, which could never be known from perp to perp and seems to be played down due to the small magnitude of probability and no regard given to the possibility, which is more dangerous with regard to the well being of the not-yet-convicted felon.

understood. call me too-quick-to-reply on that one. however, and not for the sake of arguing, i think the original point was that, by definition, you cant account for a freak accident nor rule it out, whether for arguments sake or not. the tazer has no way of knowing the effects the jolt will have on the tazees nervous system, while a blow the knee doesnt hold the same potential, short of a blood clot to the heart, i guess. knowing the potential the shock could have, both neurologically and with regard to leaving the tazee rendered helpless and prone to gravity realted injury, i would say the argument is that it should be a last or near last resort; especially, in this case, since the perp was within arms length and poorly restrained.

Ha! so, after admitting that he would take you down first (negating your argument altogether), he's supposed to be stupid enough to just stand there, let you recover by not tazing you again, not take your baton, not restrain you and allow you to bash his knee all to prove you're right? jeezus, i dont even know the guy, but i'm pretty sure he's smarter than that. way to think it through....are you going to hang him in the town square after he finishes his beer, too?

i have an issue. today it suggested i be friends with Cheech. i blame Ben and Paul.

word. good luck.

i was just reading through this and wondered if you sere still going to change the gears. anyway, and not to be a killjoy, might the new engine have the same problem, at least eventually? and is there anything you can do to the new one to prevent it form happening again, before you install it (better parts)?

exactly what i was trying to convey. but, it didnt seem obvious to me that she really posed much of a threat to him with regard to his safety; nor would he had to pancake tackle her. i will concede that seeing the videos of cops after a chase or during a stressful situation, letting their emotions get the best of them and beating the shit out of someone who is trying to comply has gotten a little old. clearly not the case here, but she shouldnt have been too much trouble for him. besides, and i didnt really want to go this way, it has always been my un-researched understanding that most PD's require some sort of physical condition upkeep and this crack whore shouldnt have even taken him 10 steps to catch. anyway, not to take away from what LEO's do for us, i realize it can be a tough job. its easy to watch a video and critique.

i'm not interested in arguing hypotheticals, my issue is with excess. i certainly wouldnt even comment on her freakishly being injured when taken down in a reasonable manner; nothing short of a stiff breeze would have taken down that bird and sometimes shit happens. i didnt see his decision as reasonable. he was so very clearly within arms reach of her when they came into the frame which would mean he was right on top of her just before. she didnt outrun him, he slowed down to position himself for the shot/was too busy reaching for his tazer to catch her. its two very different scenarios falling when tackled and falling when being shocked. i just think his chosen means were excessive, regardless if she ended up paralyzed. its with that that i have a problem. was tazing her necessary or just easier? did she deserve what she got? well, i dont feel thats for me to decide, we have a court system for that....

well, she looked to be well within his reach. he looked to have to slow down to taze her. he couldnt handle taking her down? i understand she was supposedly on drugs and all that comes with that (lack of judgement/pain/etc), it just looked to me like he just took the easy way out. like i said before, i'm not a LEO and wont pretend to know what its like, but it seems more and more that there is a lack of accountability and responsibility when it comes to the use of force by those sworn to protect our citizens, even those accused of crimes. freak accident or not, to me his actions didnt seem reasonable or justified for the situation.

i saw that 'live' and about had beer fly out my nose...but, dont worry, not a drop was lost.

totally agree with your first sentence. but, trying not to let myself feel like your second, although i still do (though, please understand that i'm not judging you for feeling that way). it just saddens me that this has become the general consensus, at the risk of sounding like a bleeding heart hippy. lately, i struggle with the notion of 'us' becoming more 'civilized' at the expense of our own humility. it vexes me...i'm very vexed.

oh...oh i see. so, this was not open to discussion, just open to agreement. duly noted.

whatever happened to due process, innocent until proven guilty? i'm not defending the woman, i'm defending our laws and constitution. how did she slip out of her cuffs? it seems to me that the cop did a poor job of detaining her and fell back on his crutch. its pretty disturbing to me to see everyone saying she deserved it. i opine that an arresting officer has a fiduciary responsibility, to the law and those he is sworn to protect, to bring in the accused with some level of respect no matter how disrespected in the process. just because he doesnt want to/cant run down a suspect would leave me suspect to the officers abilities. oh well, whats done is done...we'll just carry on towards our police state. also, i'm not and never will be a police officer, just my thoughts on the matter. hate on....

zing!!!

the city should send him a bill.

lol. come on, now. i'm, undoubtedly, the most reasonable and levelheaded dude you've never met. fallacies and cognitive dissonance? what can i say, i'm a product of our society. btw.....thank you?

this is the problem i have with it. i wholeheartedly support the troops and the role they play protecting our freedom...i mean actually protecting our freedom;however, i abhor the fact that 'supporting the troops' ends up being political leverage for further preemptive warring and nation building under the guise of 'protecting our freedom'. so, i find it very troubling to say i support the troops when all Washington hears is 'i support what you are doing (policy)'. i believe in my understanding that our nation was meant to lead by example, not by force.

its not close to akron, but they seem to have plenty of vacancies.....:devil:

that was speed taken during decel...

a couple of friends of mine have done this tour. sounds spooky.