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Fair enough, I've been trying to find some stats on abuse and I'm not finding anything useful atm. I wanna know the numbers on people who have never had a job and the number of kids and the length of time on the system. I just don't think the abuse is as rampant as the rederic would leave you to believe. OMG THIS IS WRONG Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than the average salary of a U.S. Teacher 8

I agree with everything your saying. I don't think anyone wants to fund the lazy fuck. Shit my sister is the problem plain and simple she pops out kids and cant afford ... One of the reason's I support these types of things Is for every fuck up POS leach there's people who truly need help. IF you believe the stats its 3%. Lets round that up to 10% . So for every LEECH there's 9 other people who really need the help. According to the U.S. Department of Labor statistics website, based on the 2012 IPIA 3-Year average data report, fraud was prevalent in 2.67% of cases. [9] XML and XLS Unemployment Insurance data sheets released yearly available at: http://www.dol.gov/dol/maps/Data.htm ^ from the liberal wikipedia

and a top end run..... God I can't wait to drive this car.

I hope this isn't a repost. First 1/4 mile in a new c7. I love the way the screen drops down to show you a storage spot. 12.4@116 Found another one OMG That Dash

Thats the same guy

True story, Shit Ebay went down when HP did the fire sale a few years back. I don't see how it could have costed that number listed. Then again I have no idea what the traffic to that site has been like.

I feel ya , I've been listening to the debates on a daily basis now. I'm going to read the things you posted later this evening

We all do. Health care is a very touchy subject

I wasn't referring to you calling me and idiot. I've never seen you speak to anyone with that level of disrespect. I also respect your opinion.

Single Payer Systems are working in other countries true? Out of all the people posting in this thread Brandon your posts are the only ones I've read that have been based on actual arguments and though out concepts. Sadly we have others like Marc who just spew garbage and call anyone an idiot or stupid who doesn't agree with him.

Your right I have 0 comprehension... I've been dealing with our healthcare system on a intimate basis now for a couple years, and considering how much I make and that I have no kids or other write offs I pay a descent amount in taxes I should be bitching about all these slackers spending my tax dollars. So where is the line were it becomes socialism ? Fire ? Police ? Roads ? Health? Where is that line? I don't see you out there fixing pot holes in the road.

Never claimed to be an English Scholar. ;] Then again Albert Einstein failed basic arithmetic.

Ummm it's called pooling your risk. You act like every person who's down and out choose to be there. Shit happens. Cancer is a wonderful example. You don't get cancer because your fat or your poor or any other factor. People who are perfectly healthy otherwise can get Cancer. Now by the stance of hard core consertives those people should just cover them selves...... If someone broke into your house would you grab your gun and go out on the streets hunting for the perpetrator or would you call the police? How about your house gets hit my lightning and catches fire? Would you get the water hose out and try to put the fire out or call the fire department. My stance is healthcare should be the same way. And I accept that other disagree with me. What I don't accept is assholes calling me an idiot because my stance is different.

Well to start with you were breaking the law.

So how the fuck am I the idiot, I said exactly that. It's really easy to toss words around when you don't have to back them up. Since the Evidence speaks otherwise shrug. Coverage doesn't have to be insurance. He can cover the cost by whipping out the old plastic.

you are paying for other peoples car repairs.

I don't fix PC's BTW thats low end shit. But hey your convinced I'm stupid, Yet I work 2 jobs that are both considered to be highly skilled. There we go, had you started out like this we could have avoided all the wasted space. Your stance is this: If you walk into ER with a broken arm and don't have coverage you should be turned away. Period My stance is: We should have a universal healthcare system and no person should be forced into bankruptcy because an accident happens or someone gets sick. There's not much more to say.

Interesting how there is a trend of the countries with universal healthcare having a longer life expectancy? How about Infant Mortality rates? Or how America Those supposed best country on this earth is the only industrialized country with out a universal healthcare system... How can we be the best if we don't even care of our own. http://sickothemovie.com/_media/SiCKO_sickofactoids.pdf ^ From Eighteen thousand people die each year because they are uninsured.5 According to the UN Human Development Report, “The uninsured are less likely to have regular outpatient care, so they are more likely to be hospitalized for avoidable health problems. Once in hospital, they receive fewer services and are more likely to die in the hospital than are insured patients. They also receive less preventive care. Over 40% of the uninsured do not have a regular place to go when they are sick and over a third of the uninsured say that they or someone in their family went without needed care, including recommended treatments or prescription drugs in the last year, because of cost.”6 ^ This speaks to Mr Angry

Actually I read it I commented too, You know me way better than that. Also The Obama Phone was not from obama it's an offshoot from a program that Ronald Reagan started called life line. 1. It’s an Obama phone. The program began almost three decades ago during the Reagan administration. Officials feared poor customers would struggle to cover higher phone service costs sparked by the breakup of the mammoth Bell System, known as Ma Bell. Lifeline officially became part of the Universal Service Fund in 1996 when Congress passed the Telecommunications Act. But it was under President George W. Bush in 2005 that the FCC started allowing some prepaid wireless providers to participate. This shift sparked tremendous growth. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/obama-phone-facts-still-a-hang-up-in-washington-90606.html#ixzz2hFvlf8s5

AngryBMW take a deep breath...... Punch your desk or something.... First, Do you think people really won't take advantage of healthcare?? Really? Do you think people just want to be sick? You keep calling me and idiot, But from my perspective your the one spewing stupidity and making arguments based on the SPECULATION that people won't use there healthcare.... WTF My insurance has climbed at a rate of ~10-17% PER YEAR during my career. I don't see where a price hike of ~20$ per paycheck is such a huge ordeal. My pay increase of ~8% last year was 8% of my total income not 8% of what my insurance costs. So I don't quite see your point. The amount of money I bring home per paycheck went up from last year and that includes me increasing my 401k contribution by 1% and upping my HSA from 1000 to 2000$s. Last but not least. Yes I did vote for President Obama. That doesn't mean I agree 100% with everything the president does. I for one wanted the ACA to include a single payer setup. If you really think america's healthcare is so awesome explain to me why we pay the most to not even be in the top 10 for life expectancy.

you can port your number over to Google Voice and setup a forward. https://support.google.com/voice/answer/1065667?hl=en I hope this helps

LOL My table is setup over off polaris right next to the special internal starbucks

When I originally joined I still had my camaro. I found CR because of Cofba. I'm in the videos from 02. Wow i feel old

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-smallbusiness.php Don't know if that will help you but I figured I'd post it. I hate to hear about people losing there jobs as much as the next person. Hopefully it works out for you and your staff.

The double Down article was an interesting read, The only part I wasn't sure about was the adjusted for pre-existing conditions portion. What I'm assuming is they are taking the preexisting coverage costs and averaging them in with the regular costs. But I'm not sure.