max power Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Except shooting unarmed people in church. http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/04/01/ohio-church-shooting_.htmlIf he had only thrown some elbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 but this would've never happened if guns didnt exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) We average less than 1 homicide per year, we're still on track.And this one wasn't a spouse (like most of them are) but pretty close. Some disgruntled worshipper with daddy issues.Also, I'm not sure I'd have shot my own son, even if I were armed and he were pointing a gun at me...Thoughts? Edited April 1, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 We average less than 1 homicide per year, we're still on track.And this one wasn't a spouse (like most of them are) but pretty close. Some disgruntled worshipper with daddy issues.Also, I'm not sure I'd have shot my own son, even if I were armed and he were pointing a gun at me...Thoughts?Two so far in the past month. Not sure how that's on track to continue the rate of less than one per year. Looks like neither were spouses by the way...http://www.wytv.com/mostpopular/story/Youngstown-Man-Murdered-in-Ashtabula/AcwpNZh4DEC2MyxIb-zGXg.cspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I like Peni.Max-I have that 7mm ammo to get to you this week for Carwhore, I'll be at Chumleys Fri PM, and my place Sat working on the TH, if either of those work. Or I can meet at the trailer storage off Diley/Basil Western Fri when I go get the TH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Two so far in the past month. Not sure how that's on track to continue the rate of less than one per year. Looks like neither were spouses by the way...http://www.wytv.com/mostpopular/story/Youngstown-Man-Murdered-in-Ashtabula/AcwpNZh4DEC2MyxIb-zGXg.cspxright, one was his dad. The other was a drug deal gone awry...over a 9 year period from 99 to 08, there were 4.http://recordspedia.com/Ohio/Ashtabula-County/Crime-Statisticslooks like 2 in 2009 (ex-spouse) and daughterhttp://starbeacon.com/local/x905910191/DOUBLE-HOMICIDE0 for 2010http://starbeacon.com/local/x905910191/DOUBLE-HOMICIDE3 for 2011cord cox, his g/f (drug deal), and the L.A. cafe shooting (bar fight)2 for 2012 (spouse, daughter)http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/oh_ashtabula/double-murder-mother-daughter-found-dead-on-kain-avenue-near-rt-20-in-ashtabulaand now 2 for 2013so i count 13 in a 14 year period... .928 murders per year...if we can get through the rest of the year, it'll drop to .866 Edited April 1, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I like Peni.Max-I have that 7mm ammo to get to you this week for Carwhore, I'll be at Chumleys Fri PM, and my place Sat working on the TH, if either of those work. Or I can meet at the trailer storage off Diley/Basil Western Fri when I go get the TH.Just let me know. I haven't seen ol Chumley in a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 He's still there, smoking his Winstons and drinking Pork Chop in a can for dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 In 2010, there was a homicide. It was ruled self-defense, but I believe you yourself have said even in self-defense it is murder. So no, it wasn't 0 for 2010. I'm sure I'll be able to shoot more holes in your points when I have more free time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 alright, then we are at 1 a year on average... (who brought balloons?)still 14 times more likely to die in a plane crash, even if those murders were random, as opposed to being related to domestic problems and drug deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 How are you 14 times more likely to die in a plane crash? What's the average number of trips you have to take to make that statistic a probability? I fly less than once a year. Way less than once a year' date=' actually. My boss flies somewhere 2-3x a month.[/quote']Odds of dying in a plane crash is about 1 in 7000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Nothing bad has ever happened in my house. You are eleventy hundred times more likely to suffocate from a frying pan. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Nothing bad has ever happened in my house. You are eleventy hundred times more likely to suffocate from a frying pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Nothing bad has ever happened in my house. You are eleventy hundred times more likely to suffocate from a frying pan.You must have some defective firearms then. Don't worry, mine are as well. Except for that one bird that walked behind my target at just the right time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 http://www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.htmlWe have a population of over 100,000. 1 homicide makes the simple math estimation 1 in 100,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Mags would "never" be found shot near a Church anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzer Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 We have a population of over 100,000. 1 homicide makes the simple math estimation 1 in 100,000.This is yearly odds ratio, IP(and yourself earlier) is/are using stats which cite lifetime odds. You need some fancier math to be able to directly compare them. An extremely oversimplified analysis would be to say that if the average person in the county lives to be 80, and the yearly homicide rate is 1/100,000, then the lifetime odds are 80 * (1/100000) which is 1 in 1250. This is not an actual lifetime odds analysis, but shows that yearly odds are vastly different than lifetime odds, and you cannot compare them directly in a meaningful way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 This is yearly odds ratio, IP(and yourself earlier) is/are using stats which cite lifetime odds. You need some fancier math to be able to directly compare them. An extremely oversimplified analysis would be to say that if the average person in the county lives to be 80, and the yearly homicide rate is 1/100,000, then the lifetime odds are 80 * (1/100000) which is 1 in 1250. This is not an actual lifetime odds analysis, but shows that yearly odds are vastly different than lifetime odds, and you cannot compare them directly in a meaningful way.Your voodoo numbers have no place in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Your voodoo numbers have no place in this thread.This... Only Magz numbers (and viewpoints) are important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapesmuggler27 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Guess what fucktards...I love you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Mags would "never" be found shot near a Church anyways.True, i tend to avoid churches, i also tend to avoid station ave if i don't have any business to attend to in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 92.3 WCOL in Cbus is providing FREE CHL classes. Signup is on their site, not sure what the limits are etc. but they are paying for them. Not kidding.Not related to the topic at all, but I don't give a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imprez55 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 92.3 WCOL in Cbus is providing FREE CHL classes. Signup is on their site, not sure what the limits are etc. but they are paying for them. Not kidding.Not related to the topic at all, but I don't give a shit.It looks like it is females only. I wonder if they will take a pre-op in the interest of fairness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 It looks like it is females only. I wonder if they will take a pre-op in the interest of fairnessYa sorry I just caught that at lunch, still tho, good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Magley, I've said it before, there are people that will kill you because they want what you have or for no reason at all. Guns are not evil, it is the intent of the person. The only thing that will equalize two people is a gun. The chances of you winning a fight against a gang banger with a gun while only duel wielding elbows is a lot less than if you had a gun. You're inability to process this simple fact is astounding. Your lack of understanding that you don't live in a crime free area is sad. Your attempt at having a debate on the pros and cons of gun control, or lack thereof, is absolutely pitiful. I carry a gun. all the time because I love my life and my family and friends. I will do what I can to protect them at all costs. I'd even protect the life of someone I don't know because that's how much I believe in good over evil. But I will not protect someone that has shown such a lack of intelligence on the subject, and that includes you. As a CHL holder, I would not put myself on the line for someone that would more than likely hold me at fault for saving their life and I believe without a doubt you would do that. As a LEO, I would uphold my oath no matter what. Edited April 2, 2013 by chevysoldier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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