Kent2406 Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 So I'm driving my car about 2 in the morning last night on a road I don't know and it's raining like crazy. Can barely see out the windshield, when all of a sudden I realize there's water across the road. I tried stopping but it was too late. Water came gushing up on the hood and the motor stops immediately. Luckly the car behind me was able to stop. They help me push my car out of the water and I try to start it. Nothing, just clicking, from the solenoid, I think. I phone a friend with a trailer and we get it home. Today I started tearing into it. Take off the air filter cover and "shit!", filter is soaking wet. Remove the filter box and tubing to the throttle body and water starts pouring out it. Only gets worst from here. So water is definitely in the motor. So I remove the surge tank on top of the intake manifold and the spark plugs. Sure enough, one cylinder is full of water. Why only one? I'm guessing it must have been in the downward motion when the water came in. The rest had a little water, but not much. At this point I still had hope, cause I knew the motor wasn't going to crank over if water was on top of a piston, cause it's not designed to compress water. So I started sucking and blowing the water out with the thinking that the motor should atleast crank over now and blow the rest of the water out. That was a no go, still won't crank. I tried rotating the motor manually with a wrench. Wouldn't budge, locked up. DAMN IT! Drained the oil to see how much water was in the bottom end. Surprisingly, no water. I just changed the oil last weekend, and it still looked new. So I dropped the oil pump pan and found a layer of milky oil in the bottom of the pan. So water did get to the bottom, but not much. And that's where I'm at. I'm thinking I have atleast one bent rod and that is what's keeping the motor from turning over. I'm not doing shit on it tomorrow, but Monday, I'm going to drop the exhaust so I can get the oil pan out and hopefully I can see what's going on. Oh yeah forgot, I can see the valves through the intake manifold and they look fine. Took the valve covers off and was able to push them down. Doesn't appear to be anything broken on the top end. If it is a bent rod, I just hope it didn't screw up the cylinder wall. So if there's any mechanics out there, I'll take any advice you have! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxHooligan Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 What kind of vehicle and engine is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 It wont crank over without any spark plugs in? If thats the case it broke something major! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxus Christ! Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Yeah, pull out all the plugs and turn the motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Take out all plugs. Will hydro lock otherwise. Then reassess. NoBama 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I'll second the what kind of car question. The OP says that he DID remove the spark plugs. Will it turn over backwards (by hand?) I have seen the bent rod situation before. Guy had a Celica, cold air intake, big mud puddle, water in cylinder, hydro-lock causing rod to bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr1000bill Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Insurance covers it....had a buddy get a built motor out of the same situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I had the same situation. Snapped a rod clean in half. Put a junkyard motor of the same mileage in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 That's a comprehensive claim on your insurance. Just file it and be done. A comp claim won't hurt your rates much if at all. Hopefully you have comp and not just liability.. Comp is an extra dollar or two a month, so even on the biggest piece of shit car it's worth having.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent2406 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 It's an 06 Hyundai Sonata 3.3L V6. Has the factory ram air type inlet, and water sucked in through it. Tried cranking it forwards and backwards, won't budge. I have full coverage thrugh Allstate and called my local agent and he said they won't cover it because I drove into the water. He told me had it been parked and then it flooded around the car then it would be covered. Is he blowing smoke up my ass? Who should I call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Call the 800 number for all state and ask them.. If told the same bs, ask for a supervisor... Doesn't matter if you drove into it or not, it was an accident not on purpose, therefore it's a comp claim... It's not like you aimed it at a lake with a brick on the peddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadyone Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Buddy had a '96 Cougar that we did basically the same thing with. ended up bending a couple rods and cracked the crank in half. Insurance covered the motor rebuild. Id call someone else. still and accident.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent2406 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Alright, my local agent is a dick and will be getting dropped when this is all said and done! I called Allstates 800 number and was informed that my comp will in fact cover this. Cars getting towed to the garage tomorrow. They better not say shit to me about it being torn apart because the only reason I did was because my agent said I wasn't covered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Alright, my local agent is a dick and will be getting dropped when this is all said and done! I called Allstates 800 number and was informed that my comp will in fact cover this. Cars getting towed to the garage tomorrow. They better not say shit to me about it being torn apart because the only reason I did was because my agent said I wasn't covered! goodluck! glad its working out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Put it back together before its towed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent2406 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Not that easy, gaskets have been broken, nuts and bolts show use. A good mechanic will see that someone has been doing work on it. I'm not going to try to hide the fact that I tore into it because my local agent said it would not be covered. Once he told me that, I wasn't going to just sit around and not try to fix it or find out what was wrong. I only called the 800 number after receiving the advice above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 You'll be fine. You diagnosed the problem, not created it. Agreed, Besides, the garage guys wont give a shit. Just go talk with them and tell them the same story and make friends. You actually saved them time that they will end up charging back to the insurance company anyway so they arent going to tell them it was partially broken down or else they risk loosing the claim for breakdown to estimate the repair as well as the repair itself. The garage has no dog in the fight, they just get paid for the work so I wouldnt worry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 You actually saved them time that they will end up charging back to the insurance company anyway so they arent going to tell them it was partially broken down or else they risk loosing the claim for breakdown to estimate the repair as well as the repair itself. .Not sure I agree w this. While many DIY'ers come in and say "I saved you time as I already have it torn down" (before they realize they're in over their head and decide to take it to a pro. (Yes, I realize this doesn't apply to the OP) most mechanics don't see this as a time saver. Since we weren't the ones who took it apart, we usually end up spending considerable time figuring out what goes where. Even more helpful is when we are given a "box o bolts" and need to figure out which goes where. That's always fun. Jporter can probably back me up on this. This space intentionally left blank to avoid offending anyone 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent2406 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I always have sandwich bags and a permanent marker handy when I disassemble things. Makes it alot easier to put back together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Not sure I agree w this. While many DIY'ers come in and say "I saved you time as I already have it torn down" (before they realize they're in over their head and decide to take it to a pro. (Yes, I realize this doesn't apply to the OP) most mechanics don't see this as a time saver. Since we weren't the ones who took it apart, we usually end up spending considerable time figuring out what goes where. Even more helpful is when we are given a "box o bolts" and need to figure out which goes where. That's always fun. Jporter can probably back me up on this.This space intentionally left blank to avoid offending anyone2012 The point still remains that even if they fubared it, youre getting paid for your time so him taking it apart should not hurt him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Not sure I agree w this. While many DIY'ers come in and say "I saved you time as I already have it torn down" (before they realize they're in over their head and decide to take it to a pro. (Yes, I realize this doesn't apply to the OP) most mechanics don't see this as a time saver. Since we weren't the ones who took it apart, we usually end up spending considerable time figuring out what goes where. Even more helpful is when we are given a "box o bolts" and need to figure out which goes where. That's always fun. Jporter can probably back me up on this.This space intentionally left blank to avoid offending anyone2012 YES I CAN! That's one thing I always hate! If I take it apart, I see what bolt came from where, and the same bolt (at least size and length) gets put back in that spot. I always have sandwich bags and a permanent marker handy when I disassemble things. Makes it alot easier to put back together. I have had those come in to me as well, and typically it is helpful, but still not the same as tearing it down myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 The point still remains that even if they fubared it, youre getting paid for your time so him taking it apart should not hurt him at all.Unless its flat rate. This space intentionally left blank to avoid offending anyone 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent2406 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 YES I CAN! That's one thing I always hate! If I take it apart, I see what bolt came from where, and the same bolt (at least size and length) gets put back in that spot. I have had those come in to me as well, and typically it is helpful, but still not the same as tearing it down myself! Yeah, that's understandable, but had my agent not told me it wasn't covered, I wouldn't have touched it. I couldn't just leave it sit there and do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 The point still remains that even if they fubared it, youre getting paid for your time so him taking it apart should not hurt him at all. I have spent more time figuring out what goes where than someone "saved" me by tearing it down before! Most automotive technicians get paid flat rate which mean we get paid what the labor guide says the job should pay, not by the hour, so every minute lost is money down the drain to us! Now, what the OP has torn down should not be an issue, since that is probably common for a shop (especially a dealer) to have to do the same stuff to get the plugs out, etc... Sometimes, those of us that do it for a living know easier ways to take something apart that might not be very obvious by looking at it, too! I'm not saying that the OP should put it back together, or that I would be pissed if it came into my stall, just stating some opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent2406 Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 And I was prepared to finish the job until I was told correctly that it was covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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