redkow97 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I'm watching slalom skiing, and these guys show exactly how a motorcycle steers. Their heads and shoulders are relatively stationary, but they throw their skis out from under themselves, to the right to turn left, and to the left to turn right. That's exactly how a motorcycle works too. You don't turn left, you turn right to push the wheels out from under the bike, and make the bike fall left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granda080 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Oh goodness, I can't just see the ridiculousness that this may become. I loved the old counter steering thread argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnone Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Yes, and once it falls, you turn the wheel in the direction you are turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Well sorta. A skier throws the back of the skies to the right to turn left. So they are not really counter steering. I'm going to bed, I expect five pages and a pole when I get up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 ah, fuck.....here we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I don't think the physics are remotely comparable. The edge on a ski or snowboard curved. When leaned it forces it to bend and the radius of that bend, along with conditions, determine how sharply you can turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzer Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 If you don't understand angular momentum and the physics of a gyroscope, you'll never truly understand counter-steering. A motorcycle does not steer like a skier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 What kind of oil do they use though? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Z. Heimer Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 It may depend on the type of wax used and how it was applied. Then again artificial or natural snow comes into the equation. Don't forget powder or groomed surface. Many variables to consider. One thing for certain is that if you do it wrong on either one you could hit a tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 So tired of hearing anything about counter steer, if someone argues that you don't counter steer they are obviously a moron and you not need be associated with them. It's a natural function of the motorcycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I ride a cruiser, so I never really go fast enough to counter steer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connie14 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 You may not realize it, but you cannot turn a motorycle above slow parking lot speeds without counter-steering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 What if keep the bars strait and shift your weight to one side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 How do you counter steer if you are popping a wheelie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Counter steering is for women 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I have sat on them laid on them slept on them and screwed on them but I have never tried to steer one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 If you french fry when you should pizza yer gonna have a bad time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolsdime92 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) I love winter threads. Oh, and bread makes me poop. Edited February 15, 2014 by oldschoolsdime92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) I've hit two trees and one telephone pole on skis, so I'm probably qualified to say something, but.... I'm too stunned that we're discussing counter steering again.But quite happy that also means Winter is almost over and we get to ride again. It does occur to me that skis go where you point them. Which isn't quite the same as the gyroscopic articulation of a linked frame with two wheels. Skiing is more about directing the center of gravity of your body, which is centered at your hip joints. The part that is similar to counter steering, is that the body of weight in skiing is linked at a joint at the hips. One part might twist one direction, and the other part twist another. Still a matter of balance around a center of gravity of the mass. Same for a four wheeler, if you've ever enjoyed a 4 wheel drift. And yes, airplanes do it too. The balance, not the linked joints. Although that would be cool, an articulated airplane with advanced maneuverability. (Ok, it just occurred to me that Burt Rutan's space plane does exactly that, it has a pivot hinge for enhanced flight.) Edited February 15, 2014 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I don't think the physics are remotely comparable.The edge on a ski or snowboard curved. When leaned it forces it to bend and the radius of that bend, along with conditions, determine how sharply you can turn.I have no intention of debating this topic, but what kind of tires are you using that aren't curved? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I have no intention of debating this topicGood choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaf Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Does anyone else here ski (or board) the black diamonds. If so, you are probably finding this thread as amusing as I am. I've noticed that the vision skills I developed in skiing cross over to motorcycle riding very well. The concept of having your body not quite perpendicular to gravity to compensate for the centripetal forces generated by turning is also similar. The actual physics of how a turn is initiated, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 My motorcycle does all the countersteering for me, all i gotta do is ask nicely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Ninja 250 was too small to countersteer. If I try real hard I can get get the 300 to do it. Don't even ask about the Boulevard... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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