Rider dies after hitting pothole while traveling over 100 mph in Minnesota

[MidgetTodd]

Any of you saying you want someone there ever actually watched someone die? Other than peacefully on pain meds from old age? I have more times than I care to even try to count. Want me to describe it for you? Better yet I work M,W,F this week chances are I'll add 3 more to my count, you want me to try for video? Quit being over sensitive selfish clueless pansies until you know exactly what you are asking for. It's not pleasant or in any way a closure giving experience and my dying wish is that none of my friends or family are there to see it much less try to hold my hand and be haunted by it for the rest of their lives

[MidgetTodd]

Waitttt, what??  Isn't THAT selfish?  And maybe more selfish?

Nope, that's me being fiscally responsible

[JackFlash]

I would have fled the scene too... You know what happens when 2 bikes are riding over 100mph and someone dies? The other rider is charged with manslaughter and goes to prison for a long fucking time... I love my friends, but dead is dead, if I can avoid prison I'm going to... Plenty of witnesses to call this incident in, nothing the second rider could even do, and no reason to get locked up for it

 

I'm going to guess that these two were not close buds.

It's possible they met on the street and were simply out

having some fun.  I've ridden with new "friends" I met on

the road that day.  Close buds would likely stick around

unless the crowd, with a mob mentality and a negative

view of motorcycles, were mumbling loudly, with several

members giving you the stink eye and using words like,

"jail" and "hooligans".

 

If you had a reason to fear problems with the police, I

would prefer you bailed out and saved yourself while you

still could, once someone else showed up to help.  I

would cover for you, if I lived, and say I didn't know

anything about you. 

 

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[JackFlash]

I can understand that logic, I just dont know if I could leave my

buddy behind, dying in a ditch.  At that point, youve made your

choices and maybe you deserve some prison time.

 

We don't know that they were buddies.  Perhaps they

were total strangers.  As for the other rider crashing his

bike while I was simply trying to keep up, I'm not going to

volunteer to be held accountable for his actions I had no

part of.  We all ride fast.  But let us all be accountable

for ourselves without our buddies having to pay for our

own bad judgement.

 

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[JackFlash]

The state will fight that you were racing, therefore you

contributed to the other riders death.

If you're in the middle of nowhere, definitely stop and

call a squad... But on a freeway with a ton of witnesses,

somebody else is already dialing and I don't think it wise

to hang around and go to prison.

 

Just make sure someone dialed up for help before

you bail on me.  Then you are more than welcome

to disappear.  "Second bike?  No, I was riding alone."

 

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[JackFlash]

...It seems that no matter how

fast your going on a bike witnesses always

say things like "over 100" or "racing".

 

And this is part of the problem.  Two bikes

riding together over the speed limit can

always be said to have been racing.  How

do you defend yourself from that when

three witnesses (family members in the

same vehicle) claim you were racing, even

though you were only going 10 MPH over

the limit, while trying to beat a rapidly

decaying green traffic light?

 

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[JackFlash]

...Someone else would stay and face the consequences

of their actions....

 

Consequences of my actions is one thing.

Consequences of your actions is another. 

I'm not answering for your mistakes.  That's

on you.

 

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[Bakemono]

We don't know that they were buddies.  Perhaps they

were total strangers.  As for the other rider crashing his

bike while I was simply trying to keep up, I'm not going to

volunteer to be held accountable for his actions I had no

part of.  We all ride fast.  But let us all be accountable

for ourselves without our buddies having to pay for our

own bad judgement.

 

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We dont know they werent either.

[MidgetTodd]

We dont know they werent either.

We do know they aren't speaking to each other now.

[magley64]

Consequences of my actions is one thing.

Consequences of your actions is another. 

I'm not answering for your mistakes.  That's

on you.

 

And that's perfectly fine, but any time I've been part of a group and saw someone crash out, (even times when I wasn't riding with them, or wasn't even on a bike) I immediately pulled over and tried to help. It's just the way I've been. It's what I see as the right thing to do. Whether i contributed to their crashing directly or indirectly or not... I'm probably not going to leave a fellow rider in the ditch. Legal consequences or not.

 

Now whether or not you choose to do the same is your choice.

[JackFlash]

I also think relying on others to do the right thing

for a fallen rider is a big assumption.  What if

everyone assumes someone else handled it?

 

Try and stop my bleeding and once a more

medically qualified person assists, hit the road

and get out of there, if you feel it's in your best

interest.  I would rather ride with you on the road

another day than to have to visit you locked up

or have you cost yourself a big fine.

 

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[JackFlash]

I also think relying on others to do the right thing for a fallen

rider is a big assumption.  What if everyone assumes someone

else handled it?

 

Just try and stop the bleeding until someone with more

medical ability shows up to assist.  Then, get your ass

out of there if you think it's in your best interest. 

 

I would rather ride with you another day than for you to

have cost yourself a big fine by sticking around on my

account.  My mistakes are my own.  No sense in you

being lynched for something I did.

 

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[MidgetTodd]

Better yet, get training and be self reliant. Stop your own bleeding.

[snot]

Better yet, get training and be self reliant. Stop your own bleeding.

Done! And I agree I don't wish for anyone to watch me die. Just dump my ashes at the track.

[JackFlash]

So the last memory your loved one has of you is watching you die?

That is completely selfish.

 

 

I understand your view.  But, I'm not wishing for them to

have to suffer through my death without it being their

choice.  The chances are great that many loved ones

would prefer to be by your side as you expire, in hopes

of offering some sort of comfort in your last moments.

 

Is that also selfish on their part, to wish to be there when

you go?

 

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[JackFlash]

And that's perfectly fine, but any time I've been part of a group and

saw someone crash out, (even times when I wasn't riding with them,

or wasn't even on a bike) I immediately pulled over and tried to help.

It's just the way I've been. It's what I see as the right thing to do....

 

Now whether or not you choose to do the same is your choice.

 

I'm with you on that.  I also would stop if I felt I could do

something or if I was early on the scene.  I wouldn't leave

someone to rot in the ditch.

 

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[JackFlash]

Sorry.  Quotes unquoted themselves the first time.

[JackFlash]

Better yet, get training and be self reliant.

Stop your own bleeding.

 

I can doctor myself to an extent.  It's hard

to stop the bleeding on this arm if that arm

wants to hang limp and I can't seem to get

to my first aid kit.

 

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Edited March 17, 2014 by JackFlash

[MidgetTodd]

I understand your view.  But, I'm not wishing for them to

have to suffer through my death without it being their

choice.  The chances are great that many loved ones

would prefer to be by your side as you expire, in hopes

of offering some sort of comfort in your last moments.

 

Is that also selfish on their part, to wish to be there when

you go?

 

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I've yet to meet one that doesn't regret being there. The ones wishing for that have no clue what they are asking for. The ones who have hope to never see it again.

[MidgetTodd]

I can doctor myself to an extent. It's hard

to stop the bleeding on this arm if that arm

wants to hang limp and I can't seem to get

to my first aid kit.

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Proper critical thinking and triage training will show you how to in that situation using a stable object such as the downed bike and pressure points to stop or slow the bleeding as well as unconventional methods such as the hot exhaust to cauterize the wound. Learn to be self reliant it's priceless the training is out there Edited March 17, 2014 by MidgetTodd

[JackFlash]

Any of you saying you want someone there ever actually watched

someone die? Other than peacefully on pain meds from old age? 

I have more times than I care to even try to count. Want me to describe

it for you? Better yet I work M,W,F this week chances are I'll add 3 more

to my count...

 

Quit being over sensitive selfish clueless pansies until you know exactly

what you are asking for. It's not pleasant or in any way a closure giving

experience and my dying wish is that none of my friends or family are

there to see it much less try to hold my hand and be haunted by it for the

rest of their lives

 

And for some reason you stay in that line of work, to offer

medical assistance to those in need.  There must be a

sense of satisfaction in it for you, to be one that the injured

can depend on to get them the help that they need.  I couldn't

do what you do.  It would haunt me have to deal with the things

you've seen and had to do in your line of work. 

 

You deal with relatives and loved ones of those in medical need,

mostly at the time of the immediate need.  Three years down the

road, how many of those present at the time of death wish they

had not been present, at the side of their loved one, in their

final moments?  How many would speak up and say they wish

they were out playing golf instead of being there?  And why is it

that we always rush to the side of those about to expire, knowing

there is absolutely nothing we can do, when we could just let it

happen and simply attend the funeral instead?

 

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Edited March 17, 2014 by JackFlash

[MidgetTodd]

My satisfaction comes every other Friday when my check is deposited. I stay in it because it's what I trained for and I really only have to work 9 days a month when I do 24/48 rotations or 12 days a month when I do every other 12s, hard to beat the schedule and the Ins is top notch. I've become cold and numb to the emotional part of it as most in EMS do. As for family, yes I've seen several after the fact and all want to forget those last moments.

When the Nero stops many things happen.

Bladder releases

Bowls release

Stomach releases

Pulseless lifeless movements happen to confuse and haunt

I could go on but you get the point.

[MidgetTodd]

Don't get me wrong though I do my job and try to help but when there no point and no chance well I acknowledge that and move on unless it's a pediatric, I still get emotional on those and will work them with everything at my disposal till we get to the ER I'm not completely heartless.

But adults, well, if it's your time it's your time.

[ZxHooligan]

I am not a people person for the most part and have little interaction with humans 12 out of 14 days. So this is based on my work with cows. I see death on a regular occasion with my profession. It never gets easier. I tend to walk away and leave them go on their own. Especially after I hit them with the captive bolt. Eventually you get numb cause you know what the final outcome is. I'm with the midget except on the pay check I do my job because I love my girls even though they've broken all the bones in my feet and my wrist

[JackFlash]

...I've become cold and numb to the emotional part of it as most in EMS do.

 

 

Don't get me wrong though I do my job and try to help but when there no point

and no chance well I acknowledge that and move on unless it's a pediatric, I

still get emotional on those and will work them with everything at my disposal

till we get to the ER I'm not completely heartless.

 

 

...I see death on a regular occasion with my profession. It never gets easier.

..Eventually you get numb cause you know what the final outcome is.

 

I would become numb and callused, and half crazy.  I would view life

as something disposable and hope to avoid the reaper for as long

as I cared to live.  With the help of mind altering substances, I may

be able to live with the tragedies I encountered daily and hopefully 

could still sleep through half of the night.  Hats off to everyone who

deals with the passing of life on a continuing basis.  :bow:

 

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