Tonik Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 The mosquitos they didn't eat disrupted someones backyard party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Kent State was my favorite protest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted July 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 The problem today is the youth of the inter cities are being taught to idealize thugs and criminals and despise and disrespect any authority. The problem will only get worse unless that culture can be changed and that can only happen from within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 35 minutes ago, Tonik said: Interesting. I cant think of hardly any protests in our entire history that didnt disrupt something. They used to have the brains to target their protests torwards their microagressors. These days are like mcdonalds workers going on strike in front of the post office to block mail. There are plenty of videos of them being hit by cars. they try to record the licence plate in this one. ? Compilation some foreign 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tonik Posted July 18, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Its not going to change from within. If we dont intervene with massive resources it will only get worse. Let me give you am example. There is a girl at the school I work at. Her dad is doing 20 in the big house. Her mom just died from a heroin overdose. She is now being raised by her grandmother, who has a host of her own issues. Without outside intervention that girl has zero chance. And they dont idolize the thug life. Its the only life they know. Its the only life their parents know and its the only life their grandparents know. You tell them to work hard, they have no concept of what that means. Blame them, blame whoever you want. That wont change a thing. Only massive intervention will change it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durk Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Totally agree with you Tonik that people live the life they see. I see it very often as a teacher. The idea that the apple does not fall from the tree holds very true most of the time. Sure you have some rare cases where they don't. My problem is I don't have an answer of how we intervene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Can't we blame the whiteys protesting with them? Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to MacDonald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person. Male lives matter 95.7% of people shot by cops are male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I wish they had called the movement "Black Lives Matter, Too." Then there wouldn't be any of the "All Lives Matter" rebuttal nonsense, feigning stupidity as to what they meant. BLM is a good idea that's been poorly executed, and overtly exploited by violent assholes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 2 hours ago, redkow97 said: I wish they had called the movement "Black Lives Matter, Too." Then there wouldn't be any of the "All Lives Matter" rebuttal nonsense, feigning stupidity as to what they meant. BLM is a good idea that's been poorly executed, and overtly exploited by violent assholes. This I can get behind. They tried to take the crowdsource mentality of Occupy and apply it to a different movement. The problem is they took the part of Occupy that didn't work so well (leaderless, groupthink mentality) and tried to pin it to the only part of BLM that did work initially (the message that Black people were being disproportionately targeted/killed by police) until the former ate the latter. My pasty white guy take on this is simple: When you remove, or are perceived to have removed, all possible forms of legitimate accountability for people in positions of power, the only thing that the people are left with is vengeance. I think a viable solution can be found to make everyone push back from the edge a bit, however that solution involves the PD's doing something that they really don't like: admitting when they're wrong. There are so many layers of protections to hide behind; qualified immunity, Garrity, the Union, and even each other that to the general public it's almost impossible to determine where an investigation is at, or if they even started one in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Exactly. I don't believe there are that many bad cops. A very small minority. But when they get away with everything and are never held accountable then you start to distrust the entire system. Its really hard to respect a good cop that is covering for a bad cop. Lool at that chase in Cleveland that ended in 137 rounds being fired. Dont even lool at the shooting, just the chase.Multiplee officers failed to break off when ordered to. The senior cop in the chase...which makes him in charge..just pulled over and turned off his radio. There were boatloads of supensions, demotions and a firing or two. EVERY one of them gotbackk pay, reinstated and full rank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, Isaac's Papa said: No accountability is the biggest issue at hand. Police policing themselves is just not the right way to run things. Want me to respect your uniform? Stand up for what it represents. Call out your bad cops. Arrest your bad cops. Punish your bad cops. Arrest the bad guys? It's almost novel when you think about it. The standard has gotten so low in America that even bringing charges is a big deal, especially when those charges are so overblown to try and generate temporary, short-term order that getting a conviction on them is impossible and the cycle begins anew. I honestly believe the Slager trial in South Carolina is the canary in the coal mine. The guy shot Walter Scott in the back while fleeing, and subsequently lied on his police report about him going for his Taser. The Union's turned their back on him, but there are still plenty of layers to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tonik said: Exactly. I don't believe there are that many bad cops. A very small minority. But when they get away with everything and are never held accountable then you start to distrust the entire system. Its really hard to respect a good cop that is covering for a bad cop. Lool at that chase in Cleveland that ended in 137 rounds being fired. Dont even lool at the shooting, just the chase.Multiplee officers failed to break off when ordered to. The senior cop in the chase...which makes him in charge..just pulled over and turned off his radio. There were boatloads of supensions, demotions and a firing or two. EVERY one of them gotbackk pay, reinstated and full rank. I'll do you one better: During the Dorner manhunt, the LAPD pumping 102 rounds into a blue truck occupied by two women that looked nothing like Dorner, inside a truck that looked nothing like the grey truck Dorner was driving. How they both survived is a mystery to me, but the 8(!) officers involved had no criminal charges brought, and it's unclear exactly what kind of punishment they received since they weren't even named. I understand that there are a ton of good cops out there, but when the stakes are this high that I have to be concerned about police with itchy trigger fingers that prefer to fire first and ask questions/make up the story later, I can't afford to automatically treat all police with the benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Cheech said: I'll do you one better: During the Dorner manhunt, the LAPD pumping 102 rounds into a blue truck occupied by two women that looked nothing like Dorner, inside a truck that looked nothing like the grey truck Dorner was driving. How they both survived is a mystery to me, but the 8(!) officers involved had no criminal charges brought, and it's unclear exactly what kind of punishment they received since they weren't even named. I understand that there are a ton of good cops out there, but when the stakes are this high that I have to be concerned about police with itchy trigger fingers that prefer to fire first and ask questions/make up the story later, I can't afford to automatically treat all police with the benefit of the doubt. Not sure criminal charges are warranted there unless you can show they knew it was the wrong truck and were trying to kill the women. If it is a 'mistake' criminal charges might not be appropriate. I work for the State, if I f up our computer systems and cause massive data loss I am fired, but not charged with destroying State property. I will bet dollars to donuts they were disciplined and then the union got it all reversed. And that is not right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 7/9/2016 at 7:48 AM, HeavyDuty said: I know there are bad cops out there but I have never run across a bad one. But then again I am always respectful and comply with their wishes. Having a son and daughter that are both cops they tell me the first 5 words out of your mouth will set the tone for the rest of your encounter with them. So don't be a stupid asshat right from the start. And if you are stopped for speeding just man up to it and take it most of the time township or county cops will let you go with a warning if you not a smartass right from the star now with the highway patrol just smile and take the ticket their job is to mostly raise revenue. How do you define a bad cop? I was just at a camp out of that was mostly cops. After many beers and a lot of whiskey the campfire stories were revealing. There were many stories of guns, cash, drugs, and jewelry that never quite made it to the evidence room. It was kind of a bragging session. They feel entitled to steal these things for themselves. Maybe all cops don't do it....but they are ALL aware of it and do nothing to stop it. I won't even get into to the the racist stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 58 minutes ago, Isaac's Papa said: No accountability is the biggest issue at hand. Police policing themselves is just not the right way to run things. Want me to respect your uniform? Stand up for what it represents. Call out your bad cops. Arrest your bad cops. Punish your bad cops. Arrest the bad guys? It's almost novel when you think about it. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Anyone else enjoy the video of protesters getting run over and hit by cars as much as I did? If you are going to sit in the middle of the intersection or road and I need to get somewhere. Better brace yourself because I'm not completely stopping for shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Like this guy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 tim isn't chinese you filthy racist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, jbot said: tim isn't chinese you filthy racist They all look the same. That said my point was protesters blocking traffic isn't always a bad thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tonik said: They all look the same. That said my point was protesters blocking traffic isn't always a bad thing. Not always a good thing either. Understatement of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 48 minutes ago, jbot said: tim isn't chinese you filthy racist ASL!?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 52 minutes ago, motocat12 said: Not always a good thing either. Understatement of the year. Gotta take the good with the bad. Otherwise you will have suppression of the good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 some police shootings are good but they're trying to suppress the bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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