Teens with BMW's just don't mix

[Orion]

1980 mazda rx-7.

 

yeah, im a former rotary guy.

 

fyi, there is a former 17 year old 03 cobra owner ON THIS BOARD. i defy you to tell him he didnt earn it, though.

 

hell, he wouldnt even be the first in line to whup your ass if you did.

[mrblunt]

I hope he goes to prison. Its assholes like this that cause insurance companies to charge honest people out the ass.

 

Dream scenerio : He goes to prison, fellow inmates find out why, he gets some american history x type lovin that not even a steady diet of prune juice and taco bell would keep away.

[El Karacho1647545492]

Originally posted by AudiOn19s:

I have to disagree with you on the Dinan. Dinan = THE SUCK. Every product they make can be had cheaper and better by another company. Their software in particular is garbage. It has been proven that it produces no NP gains over stock AND on top of that it locks out the factory adaptation in the computer so if you get their software and then get more mods on top of the software...you'll actually loose power becasue the DME won't adapt to the new Mods you've done to the car and either run rich or lean.

 

Turner on the other hand...those guys know what they're doing.

 

Andy

First of all, I want to see proof that Dinan does nothing. If you're gonna make claims like that you better have substantiating evidence. Second of all, I want to see statistical evidence that Turner trumps Dinan in said categories.

[SPLN SUX]

Originally posted by 10xworse:

First of all, I want to see proof that Dinan does nothing. If you're gonna make claims like that you better have substantiating evidence. Second of all, I want to see statistical evidence that Turner trumps Dinan in said categories.

The "Trump" is probably that Turner has a widely known 325i racecar that is pretty damn fast every weekend, and Dinan doesnt. Dinan stuff is expensive, and it works. Everycar ive seen i have been thuroughly impressed with.

 

On another note... i dont think they could sell thier S2-M3 kit for over $10,000 if it didnt work.

[byhi]

so they better press charges on this kid. thats insurance fraud damn it! it doesnt matter if he has money, he just broke the law hardcore! i understand that he's young but they better do something...

[AudiOn19s]

Originally posted by 10xworse:

First of all, I want to see proof that Dinan does nothing. If you're gonna make claims like that you better have substantiating evidence. Second of all, I want to see statistical evidence that Turner trumps Dinan in said categories.

I should have been more specific with my contributions but for the E46 M3 Dinan products are inferior and expensive. Dinan plays the Warranty trup card and then have had instances where in fact warranty items were denied because of having Dinan parts on the cars. (a claim actually has to be sent to Dinan for them to reimburse BMW...BMW won't foot the bill)

 

In particular Dinan software is the biggest ripoff in the industry. It provides no power gains and simply raises rev limiters. On top of that the Dinan software locks out adaptation of the factory DME so if you do any mods on top of the dinan software it will make the car run worse and not better because it won't adapt to the new mods. The funny thing is if you look at the product descriptions directly from Dinan they claim 0 hp from their software....here's an attachment from their site

"While we can't offer any more power, there is still plenty to be gained from Dinan Performance Engine Software. For example, the software safely raises the rev-limit, endowing the M3 with a broader power band and greater road-speed in each gear. The software also removes the top speed governor, enabling the cars to achieve their natural top speed. While you may not operate your M3 at such high speeds, it's nice to know you can. In addition, programming of the drive by wire throttle system speeds up throttle response. While we may not have actually increased power output, many owners tell us it certainly feels as if we did. The Dinan Performance Engine Software is compatible with SMG equipped cars as well"

Other threads on the Software issue:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=57470&highlight=Dinan

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=56367&highlight=Dinan

 

 

Dinan offers a strut bar for the E46 M3 that offers worse performance at twice the price of a strut bar that already comes factory on the car. Their aftermarket bar is hinged which will allow some movement where the factory bar is solid and the most functional piece that could possibly be on the car.

 

Dinan's CAI for the E46 M3 cost ~$1500 and provides < 5hp. Where you can purchae a K&N intake for the very same car with better engineering, a $300 price tag and it's been proven to make 10-12hp.

 

Dinan's suspension is off the shelf Koni's rebadged and sold at 1.5 times the cost. They don't offer an adjustable setup or coilovers to truely maximize the car's potential rather just a spring and shock combo.

 

Dinan only make a front sway bar for the E46 M3 and not a rear. On a car that has understeer built in from the factory the addition of a stiffer front bar only makes the understeer situation worse and turn into snap-oversteer when power is applied.

 

Dinan's offers wheels for the E46 M3 that are forged, attractive and light, BUT the offsets are such that your car cannot be signifigantly lowered or they will rub...AND they cannot be used with coilovers as they will not fit with coilover suspension. Oh...and they're $1300 PER WHEEL for a 1 piece wheel...that's $5200 and you havn't even bought tires yet.

 

And finally here's a snipit on the warranty

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=36589&highlight=Dinan+Warranty

 

All I'm getting at is that the only advantage of Dinan is the warranty card. Their products are overpriced and don't delivered as promissed. If you're looking to modify a car there are better ways to spend your money than Dinan as many come away with a sour taste due to a product that doesn't deliver.

[SPLN SUX]

i guess i should have mentioned that all the M's i saw were E36's and one E36/5.

 

Dinan's flagship product is its supercharger kit. All the rest of the engine products they sell, only complement it. Which is how it should be really. The cinergy of the parts used, is more important than the gains each individual part produces alone.

 

Thier parts are extremely expensive... i agree. But like anything else, you have to go a little outside of the box to find the power that thier kis can really make.

[Chief8one]

what a douche

[El Karacho1647545492]

Originally posted by AudiOn19s:

Dinan offers a strut bar for the E46 M3 that offers worse performance at twice the price of a strut bar that already comes factory on the car. Their aftermarket bar is hinged which will allow some movement where the factory bar is solid and the most functional piece that could possibly be on the car.

Convincing argument, and you definitely know your shit, but this is one of the parts that I get confused with. The E46 M3 took 3 years to get the suspension right. The first year had very springy suspension, and the second had it way too tight. That sway bar may have been made as a solution for those problems while Munich was still figuring out the initial problem.

 

 

Other than that, its good to see someone on CR who actually backs up his trash talk.

[Nitrousbird]

I just hope they throw the book at him.

 

But I'm sure the kid will just get a slap on the wrist, a 2 week grounding, and back into another BMW.

[blazinjr]

Spoiled rich brat.

 

I had a 1981 Ford Escort for my first car. Two-tone blue with red spot putty all over it from my sisters ex-husband.

 

I worked my ass off to save money to paint it and fix it up.

[Guest buckeyefarmboy]

1981 chevette diesel $300 custom tuning on injector pump by yours truly would smoke tires and kill most crx's in marietta ask copperhead.

then got to up grade to 1984 toyota diesel fully restored by my own hands

that boy needs to go to the clink that is where they would send my formerly poor cracker azz

[nurkvinny]

Originally posted by buckeye:

Damn I thought I was super lucky that my dad bought me my 86 z24 that I realy wanted for my first car. I guess I should call him and find out where my m3 is . I think ALL kids should start in one of three cars for there first, ether a old 4 cycl s10 or a k-car or a volvo like shawns. This way they learn to drive FIRST then add hp. And they need to be made to take the hp driving school at mid-Ohio before driving on there own.

'86 Z-24 was also my first car. And I was happy to have it.