Science Abuse Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 There are a few bright folk here, the premise is simple: Whats going on in this picture? http://www.wordiq.com/knowledge/images/8/8e/Crash.arp.600pix.jpg Obviously the makings of a bad day, but other then that, whats happening, why is he ejecting? some things to look at: -the slats -the position of elevators -the exhaust trail -the condensation/smoke accumulation on top of the wings. -the altitude Mowgli, Mensan, give everyone else a chance before you spoil it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lojik Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 trying to land without a landing gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grease monkey Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 looks like a dive bomb gone bad, meby wings got iced over and piolet lost control of plane... thefore in self preservation he ejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin R. Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 His planes on fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotarded1647545491 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 What we have here is a pictorial representation of Eric's last encounter with a female. Note how he bails from the mission, right before he crashes and burns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Originally posted by Rotarded: What we have here is a pictorial representation of Eric's last encounter with a female. Note how he bails from the mission, right before he crashes and burns. Buwhahahahahaha! Funny because its true! Or maybe the jet has a manual tranny? He shifts like Anthony, missed 3rd, and had to bail? Or how about this: this is CR. I don't come here to think. I come here to read funny shit and make fun of stupid people. Just tell us the answer already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1647545494 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 broken control cable and secondary system failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffocateXfaster1647545505 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Too earlyy ahh.. maybe I'll take a crack at this later, but I'll be horribly off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 A guy at work has this picture that he printed of in 8x10. It won a 'Damn I can't believe you got that picture' contest on some photo website he's on. Needless to say, I already know exactly what happened. The guy who took that said he accidentally got that picture didn't even know he got that when he took it and wasn't trying to. He thought he was just taking a picture of the plane, but by the time he snapped, and the shutter closed and opened back up, that's what he saw. The photographer of that picture was on scaffolding and that wreckage stopped just short of the scaffolding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 flat spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pomade Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Because he was trying to scare a bunch of spectators? Because he owed too much on the plane and thought this would be a good insurance scam? Because he accidentally hit the "eject" button when trying to switch a CD? I dunno, I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buelliganx1 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I've got this video somewhere both in cockpit and out, it's pilot error all the way which is strange since it is one of the thunderbirds so you would think that they wouldnt make a stupid mistake like this. I'll post the cause later if someone doesnt post it first. Needless to say this photo is taken lessthan a second before the plane hits the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Fuel leak ? He decided to bolt before he became part of a large firework ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berto Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 looks like fire before the tail section of the aircraft, also looks like like a dive bomb gone bad since the flaps are all the way up maybe he knew he wasn't going to make the maneuver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buelliganx1 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 That fire in the tailsection is the fire from the blast of the ejection seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 The leading-edge of the wings lowers to increase low-speed lift. It looks like a flat spin, because the pilot did EVERYTHING (pull the stick back, trim the flaps on the wings, throttle the engine) to try to keep it aloft. That's my guess. Then again, aside from going to the Cleveland Nat'l Air Show every year up into my 20s I'm just a banker with little usable knowledge of aerodynamics smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ranger_Man Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 "Whats going on in this picture?" the plane is crashing "Obviously the makings of a bad day, but other then that, whats happening, why is he ejecting?" errrr, because the plane is crashing? so what do i win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I just watched the video... google works. After take off he went into a steep climb, did a half barrel to loop around back toward the runway. Guess he didnt get high enough initially so he smacked the ground. I think it was pretty obvious with the clues you gave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Only one thing you didn't find Ken, why was he ever that close to the ground/why did he start the maneuver too low? It's actually pretty interesting and I didn't know anything about the reason why until the photography buff here told me the story about the picture. You can either base your altitude off of sea level, or above ground level. Above sea level is obviously going to be a standard no matter where you are. Above ground level on the other hand obviously needs to be adjusted for where you are. I believe the story goes that guy was practicing at a different location the day before that air show and was using the above ground level base for altitude. Problem was the place he practiced at was lower (closer to sea level) than the place where the air show was. He never corrected the next day at the air show, so what he though was ground level was somewhere below the actual ground. IIRC, because of that incident all of the stunt teams now use sea level as a standard and just have to know how far above sea level the ground is. He ejected during the last thousandths of a second before the plane hit the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevil Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I'll guess that he hit stall speed somehow, steep angle of attack, going slow for the crowd maybe, gave him no lift, dropped like a rock, he couldn't save it in time. Sort of like Space Ship One about a month or two ago, going straight up to try and get every foot necessary for records, hit stall speed and lost control, started spinning. Luckily they were going the opposite direction of this ejecting guy! The next week they added a few degrees to their climb, they didn't go straight up, and they kept control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted October 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Neo nailed it...cheater. tongue.gif I didnt know it was a system fart, just from what I saw it was deffinately pilot error, too steep, too low, too fast. Lots of good gueses, but int he name of learning, some answers: Those of you noticing fire/blast: -Ejection seats use small solid fuel rockets to get you the fuck out of the cockpit and explosive bolts onte canopy to get it out of the way first. Trying to land w/o gear. -Kinda, but its going way to fast and way to steep. Not pilot is tht dense...I hope tongue.gif Wings iced over? -Obviously in a desert environment. Way to low for ice to form. And F16's have systems to combat that. broken control cable and secondary system failure: -F16s are all fly by wire. His planes on fire? -its about to be flat spin. - If ya look at the exhaust, you can see it is exiting the tail in a downward angle. Further more it is in a trail streaming behind the plane, this indicates forward motion. The clincher, look at the exhaust plume in the area of the ejected canopy. You see a symetrical buterfly shape to it. That is the wake of the wings moving it around. Symetry indicates a uniform flow of air, which you would not have in the event of a spin. Stall speed - Given that he's in level flight just out of a dive, combined with the path of the exhaust, it points to more then sufficient speed. Originally posted by Hoosier Daddy: Sort of like Space Ship One about a month or two ago, going straight up to try and get every foot necessary for records, hit stall speed and lost control, started spinning. Did what now? I followed that religeously, at least I think I did, and dont remember any uncontroled stalling...? I do rememeber the problems with the universal control system taking a shit under G load, and the guy flying blind. He also had trouble with exesive roll due to over correction. The in cocpit shots of the 3 pilot who flew it are priceless. None of them were ready for the kick of that rocket, and were all leaning slightly foward. The Rocket ignition corrected that quick, fast, and in a hurry. tongue.gif The craft was doing Mach++ up into the upper thermosphere, where the engine was put out. The craft still had enough momentum to carry it into the exosphere, thus clinching the record. At the peak of its journey, it stopped, so yes it did stall. At the apex, the feather was put up and it did enter a breif flat spin, but this was breif and done deliberately to slow its entry speed back onto the atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevil Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Originally posted by BrockSamson: Did what now? I followed that religeously, at least I think I did, and dont remember any uncontroled stalling...? I do rememeber the problems with the universal control system taking a shit under G load, and the guy flying blind. He also had trouble with exesive roll due to over correction. The in cocpit shots of the 3 pilot who flew it are priceless. None of them were ready for the kick of that rocket, and were all leaning slightly foward. The Rocket ignition corrected that quick, fast, and in a hurry. tongue.gif The craft was doing Mach++ up into the upper thermosphere, where the engine was put out. The craft still had enough momentum to carry it into the exosphere, thus clinching the record. At the peak of its journey, it stopped, so yes it did stall. At the apex, the feather was put up and it did enter a breif flat spin, but this was breif and done deliberately to slow its entry speed back onto the atmosphere.Hmmm, I'm probably wrong then. I don't mean at the apex. It was Melville's 2nd rocket flight I think, when he got into the rolls on the way up close to the edge of the atmosphere... not his first rocket flight where the control system went out and he flew it sort of blind. Afterwards Rutan did't say stall speed, but he did say something like "To correct this next time, we won't take a 0 degree angle of attack, we'll leave it off a few degrees, still get some lift, still making a slight turn" so that's what I'm thinking of. I just assumed the uncontrolled rolls were from a loss of lift mainly due to the steep angle, instead of air flowing over the wings it creates turbulance, no control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted October 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 ahh, true. The wings dont work as they should at 90deg verticle. The control sufaces are basicaly in neutral and serve to keep it pointed in one direction. They severely lack in rotational stability. After the flight you mentioned, they also redesigned the tail sections. Lacking a wind tunnel, they strapped them to the front of a pickup truck and drove them around...true story. smile.gif Ya did catch me off guard there though. Despite not technicly being a stall, the wings did effectively stop producing lift. graemlins/thumb.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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