El Karacho1647545492 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 this was the only pic i could find to guess what he was using...its a bar but its on 2 guides and when you twist it, it has hooks that grab posts next to the guides... makes it easier to do without a spot, i can see why he wouldn't think he needed a spot if he was using this at an easy (for him) weight. http://personaltrainerlpc.com/images/a_kathy_smith_machine_bench_press.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 this was the only pic i could find to guess what he was using...its a bar but its on 2 guides and when you twist it, it has hooks that grab posts next to the guides... makes it easier to do without a spot, i can see why he wouldn't think he needed a spot if he was using this at an easy (for him) weight. http://personaltrainerlpc.com/images/a_kathy_smith_machine_bench_press.jpg lol...a smith machine like a said earlier? but the OP said he was doing incline bench press, like this... http://www.criticalbench.com/exercises/pics/incline-bench-press1.jpg http://www.criticalbench.com/exercises/pics/incline-bench-press2.jpg i guess he could have rolled one of the benches over that you can raise the back to do incline on the bench, but that x ray picture looks like the bar dropped at an angle, and the smith machine wont go off angle...so unless he twisted his head, it looks like he was doing it with free weights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 lol...a smith machine like a said earlier? but the OP said he was doing incline bench press, like this... http://www.criticalbench.com/exercises/pics/incline-bench-press1.jpg http://www.criticalbench.com/exercises/pics/incline-bench-press2.jpg i guess he could have rolled one of the benches over that you can raise the back to do incline on the bench, but that x ray picture looks like the bar dropped at an angle, and the smith machine wont go off angle...so unless he twisted his head, it looks like he was doing it with free weights You can use a smith machine to do incline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I don't know if he was using a smith or not, I'll find out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRed Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I read about this last night. That has to suck big time. I wish your friend a speedy recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwashmycar Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 scary stuff. a guy at work was just talking about a guy who "dropped the weights at an old place i grew up at" seconds before i found this thread. hope he pulls though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 It was a Jones machine, not a Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 250 incline is alot of weight. i watched some kid at UA doing bench the other day drop 150lbs on his throat. no spotter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 It was a Jones machine, not a Smith. they look like the same thing....it looks odd that the bar hit him at angle when those machines are rigid...he musta realized he was dropping it and tried to move his head or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 depending on the person...i went to HS with a football player that benched 425+... if 250 was heavy for this guy, it wouldnt make sense for him to not have a spotter... do you know why he didnt have one by chance? 250lb may not be too bad, but it's enough for your head apparently. A glass isn't very heavy for me, either, but I've dropped one before, you know? Better to be safe than sorry. My condolences go out to his family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 You can use a smith machine to do incline. i know...thats what i was saying about you can roll a bench over and do incline on the smith machine with one of the benches that pivots and raises one end to an incline. they look like the same thing....it looks odd that the bar hit him at angle when those machines are rigid...he musta realized he was dropping it and tried to move his head or something exactly what i was thinking...thanks for putting it into different words. but i googled "jones machine" to see what that was, and this is what i find on one of the first hits from the website...sad that this is the first thing i see- http://www.beyondmoseying.com/bodycraft-jones-machine.html The Jones Machine is not just another Smith, it's the next generation of Smith. Completely safe for the solo lifter! With a simple twist of the wrist, the weight bar is racked into place. Adjustable safety spotters are included to add that last extra measure of security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I knew he was using some form of machine. Hopefully he pulls through, thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends. BTW Alex I didn't know Granville had kids his size, no wonder you never saw the field....lol j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 but i googled "jones machine" to see what that was, and this is what i find on one of the first hits from the website...sad that this is the first thing i see- http://www.beyondmoseying.com/bodycraft-jones-machine.html whats sad? that one appears to have an adjustable safety as well as the twist lock....if that is really the case, on that specific machine, if used properly it would be impossible to drop it on yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinHawk1647545499 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 thats horrible. was he using a suicide grip? I knew a friend that dropped 420 on his chest at arms length using that grip. also had another friend drop 440 on his head at a meet, with back and side spotters, they didnt react quick enough which is hard. Gashed his head, and hurt his shoulder. if he is benching 430 on the flat bench then 250 on incline wouldnt be a big deal. i have benched 385 with out a spotter a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted February 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 they look like the same thing....it looks odd that the bar hit him at angle when those machines are rigid...he musta realized he was dropping it and tried to move his head or something The Smith machine at the club has independent movement on both tracks, where the Jones moves parallel up and down. The article now claims he was doing a decline press. He does suicide grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 The Smith machine at the club has independent movement on both tracks, where the Jones moves parallel up and down. The article now claims he was doing a decline press. He does suicide grip. well then thats just crazy to go solo on decline...especially since its not like incline or even sometimes flat where you might be able to roll it off you...decline its going to roll down to your neck/head area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Wow, sorry to hear. Suicide grip is just so dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowflake Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Any word on his condition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted February 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 According to my trainer, he underwent a successful 9-hour surgery and now has a few plates in his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I know very little about the sport, but from what I've seen, the Suicide Grip is crazy. What's the purpose of this grip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKilbourne Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I know very little about the sport, but from what I've seen, the Suicide Grip is crazy. What's the purpose of this grip? Take your hands facing out and make the motion of lifting a barbell, then turn them in and do the same. Notice that your inner chest gets a better "squeeze" from the reverse grip. That is my best guess. I've personally never done this at the gym, but that seems to be the reason. I could be wrong. Also, it's good to hear that the guy is making it. That sounds like an aweful injury to have at the gym. If he's like the rest of us who go to the gym often, he'll want to be back before they will let him. Just hope he is a little more careful next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted February 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 We'll see, he's got a ways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Take your hands facing out and make the motion of lifting a barbell, then turn them in and do the same. not sure im understanding... i thought suicide grip was jsut having your thumb around the same side of the bar as your fingers, as opposed to the opposite side...like this http://www.beginnersweighttraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/suicide-grip.jpg and i thought the purpose was to move the weight closer to your palms to put more work into your forearms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowflake Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 According to my trainer, he underwent a successful 9-hour surgery and now has a few plates in his face. Thats positive news. Glad to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 not sure im understanding... i thought suicide grip was jsut having your thumb around the same side of the bar as your fingers, as opposed to the opposite side...like this http://www.beginnersweighttraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/suicide-grip.jpg and i thought the purpose was to move the weight closer to your palms to put more work into your forearms? you're correct. what the other guy was talking about is just a reverse grip. the guy i went to school with and was training me on bench for a while (he's ~175lbs and benches 405) tried to get me to try the suicide grip (didnt call it that at the time), but i really felt like i had a better grip regular style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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