Guest 614Streets Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Just take off your hat next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cranium Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Scary to read how much authority some people in this thread think police should have. I don't think respect is too much to ask. As a teacher my classroom cannot operate without respect. If a student chooses to disrespect me by wearing a hat, or any other way, he gets a couple chances to change his attitude, and then he's out. I see no difference between my situation and a courtroom. Either show the judge the respect he deserves, or suffer the consequences. It's a decision to be made, and every decision has consequences. If you're not willing to accept the consequences for your actions I have no sympathy for you. I will disagree with the folks calling for him to be tased. I would have laughed, but I do think that would have been unnecessary. He was not being violent, and was in no way threatening harm. However, his refusal to be respectful justified his arrest. His resistance justifies his treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russian rocket Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/dmcr/dmcr-1_4.htm (10) Appropriate dress is required. he violated the courts rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted January 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/dmcr/dmcr-1_4.htm he violated the courts rules What is appropriate dress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russian rocket Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 What is appropriate dress? judges discretion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 judges discretion.... Yup... have heard of ties being enforced, no shorts, etc. Its up the the judge. Usually it doesnt lead to an arrest.. but then again if a judge asks you to leave because you are in shorts most people just leave. Emo boy should be embarrassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Common sense aint so common anymore. I hate hippies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbalt Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 What benefit do they get by seeing that you are submissive to the system? That is about the stupidest thing I have heard. You really think the bailiff gets his jollies by making you sit there with your hat in your lap instead of on your head? . Submission to the system is what is expected and in this case demanded. I am not arguing the facts of the matter. The court has a no hats policy, the gentleman was wearing a hat and refused to remove it this is pretty clear. I am saying that it a stupid rule to begin with. As a tax payer I ask why we are wasting money on this? It seems to me that people do not question things enough. Just because things are the way they are, doesn't mean that's the way they ought to be. Is there any reason why one ought to remove their hat in court? This is a place of alleged justice, not church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Submission to the system is what is expected and in this case demanded. It has nothing to do with submission to "the system" It has to do with not disrupting court proceedings or being the cause of said disruptions. Bottom line is this kids mouth wrote a check his puny little ass couldn't cash. As a tax payer I ask why we are wasting money on this? It seems to me that people do not question things enough. Just because things are the way they are, doesn't mean that's the way they ought to be. They/not we, are spending time and money prosecuting a kid who was in contempt. That's not a minor charge. It's fairly serious. Courts can't let dumb ass liberty.org nuts who don't care to respect the laws of society that they live in, go around disrupting society and court room proceedings like this. So I get that you like to question gov't, laws and policies. Would you say that this "pete" and his actions were the proper way to question this policy? Is there any reason why one ought to remove their hat in court? This is a place of alleged justice, not church. So is a courtroom, which is where the very fundamental laws of this country are protected, not a place worthy of proper attire? Is what you're saying that a church and it's attendees, a place where there should be higher standards than a courtroom? WOW. I'm not sure how religious you are, but I grew up a practicing Catholic and still wear "proper attire" to church out of respect. However, I'm also a much more staunch believer that the very rights I'm granted here in this country are deserving of as much if not more respect than my church. I used to go watch my wife in court and it no longer shocks me that people in court defending themselves are so fucking stupid as to show up in dress attire that shows absolutely no respect for themselves let alone the very court and judge that holds their fate in his/her hands. Stupid. Just like Pete, fucking stupid. The root problem is he never learned to respect his parents or authorities. Likely never will and thus will be a pawn in the system and life until he dies. Sadder yet, is WE the people of the US will likely have to pay for his unemployment and welfare until he dies. Perhaps we should issue the death penalty to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I used to go watch my wife in court and it no longer shocks me that people in court defending themselves are so fucking stupid as to show up in dress attire that shows absolutely no respect for themselves let alone the very court and judge that holds their fate in his/her hands. Stupid. Just like Pete, fucking stupid. Off topic for a second... I had a salvation army down the street from my house growing up. There was a guy there one night we were playing basketball looking for a shirt for court. He couldnt find a dress shirt in his size so he had to go in a shirt, but at least it was a clean one. Its not always about respect. There are many people that are in situations where its buy a polo for court or pay for the cab fair to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Off topic for a second... I had a salvation army down the street from my house growing up. There was a guy there one night we were playing basketball looking for a shirt for court. He couldnt find a dress shirt in his size so he had to go in a shirt, but at least it was a clean one. Its not always about respect. There are many people that are in situations where its buy a polo for court or pay for the cab fair to get there. I get what you're saying. However, if you go to court and watch closely, 99% of the num-nuts there have bling out the ying and wear their pants so low they show their yang. The other 1% courts usually show leniency towards; The gold-tooth mofo's.....they don't. Take me off topic again and I'll hold you in contempt. Are we clear? Now take off that helmet you always wear or get out of my court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbalt Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 It has nothing to do with submission to "the system" It has to do with not disrupting court proceedings or being the cause of said disruptions. Bottom line is this kids mouth wrote a check his puny little ass couldn't cash. Wasn't the guy being arrested in the middle of court a bit more disrupting than the hat on his head? I mean really.....come on. So I get that you like to question gov't, laws and policies. Would you say that this "pete" and his actions were the proper way to question this policy? Depends on how you define "proper". We wouldn't have this thread if this situation never happened. So is a courtroom, which is where the very fundamental laws of this country are protected, not a place worthy of proper attire? I can't completely agree with the first part so I am not really sure of how to answer this but the style of dress doesn't seem to have anything to do with supposed equality of justice(if such a thing exists) Is what you're saying that a church and it's attendees, a place where there should be higher standards than a courtroom? What people chose to wear (or not wear) really doesn't concern me. WOW. I'm not sure how religious you are, but I grew up a practicing Catholic and still wear "proper attire" to church out of respect. However, I'm also a much more staunch believer that the very rights I'm granted here in this country are deserving of as much if not more respect than my church. Our rights deserve respect but the institutions do not. My right to wear a hat is arguably more "natural" or "proper" than an institutions "right" to make me remove it. I still don't get what clothing choices have to do with justice. I agree that Pete knew or at least had an idea of what was going to happen when he refused to take his hat off. He chose to resist and was punished for it. Why should wearing a hat matter in a court of law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wasn't the guy being arrested in the middle of court a bit more disrupting than the hat on his head? I mean really.....come on. So by applying that standard we should just let people run red lights go free because applying resources to chase them down and punish them is more disruptive? In a way I agree with you. See it took merely 15 seconds for the Arizona shooting to happen from first shot to last, yet we are wasting weeks and weeks and countless dollars talking about that fucker. Really, we should have just put two in his head right then and thus skipping the need for a trial. I'm really beginning to like you slowbalt. You get it. Depends on how you define "proper". We wouldn't have this thread if this situation never happened. Proper being respectful attire. However, even back in the day, gentlemen removed their top hats in a court of law. His ratty cap.....shit. I can't completely agree with the first part so I am not really sure of how to answer this but the style of dress doesn't seem to have anything to do with supposed equality of justice(if such a thing exists) Dress code in court is reflective of respect for the magistrates/judges and officers of the court. Similarly, LEO's wear a uniform to show respect to the public for whom they serve. In return, it's only proper to show that same courtesy and respect to them when we are "in their house" aka the court room. Treat others as you would have them treat you. What people chose to wear (or not wear) really doesn't concern me. Then may I come to your wedding wearing knit hat ? Our rights deserve respect but the institutions do not. My right to wear a hat is arguably more "natural" or "proper" than an institutions "right" to make me remove it. I still don't get what clothing choices have to do with justice. I disagree. IMO, the very institutions that grant you your Legal Rights aka Statutory Rights deserve the same if not more respect. In regarding to proper attire or dress....if you're not social aware of the impact and place proper attire has within most every society, I can not help you...not quickly. Read up on it. Interesting reads that I think you'll enjoy. Proper dress, etiquette, manners, respect.....I know you understand some of it. IMO, if someone doesn't have enough self worth to dress well, show respect for themselves or others through their manner of dress, a means of self expression, then they have no place asking for any respect or thoughtful treatment in return. Want to test that theory, dress like that fucker on a series of job interviews and let me know how that works for you. Why should wearing a hat matter in a court of law? It's a matter of expression and showing respect. In the animal kingdom hierarchy and respect through appearance, mannerisms and actions is shown in most every species. Humans...we wear tuxedo's at weddings and suites at funerals and take our hats off in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbalt Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 My point is that dress is culturally relative and can be changed at anytime. We perpetuate it by not caring about it or questioning it. Dress certainly impacts peoples perception of the wearer, no doubt but should it matter to the degree in this video? I do not think so. I do not believe that police officers wear uniforms because they respect the public, far from it. Police officers wear uniforms to show cohesiveness as well as to show authority. There have been many psychological studies done on police uniforms and they are a good read. If you raise a child and instill specific values, that child will generally adopt those values. Now extrapolate that out to a society that instills values constantly to its people. From the day I was born until I die I am constantly being told what I should or should not value. Who is telling you this information (Church, Government, Employer, Media) and who benefits? Shouldn't we be constantly challenging the status quo to ensure we are doing the best we can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 My point is that dress is culturally relative and can be changed at anytime. The rules of dress in a place of state business are not open to be changed at anytime by those that are granted permission to be in open court. they must recognize and abide by exiting rules or leave. a court room is a place of business; state business and Open to the Public, but NOT a Public Space. We perpetuate it by not caring about it or questioning it. Dress certainly impacts peoples perception of the wearer, no doubt but should it matter to the degree in this video? I do not think so. The court officer was simply enforcing the rules of the court. In this case it happened to be the dress code. It could have quite easily have been the improper use of video equipment, etc. This video and entire episode are about a person being in contempt of court. Not about his wearing a hat. He's free to do that just not in a court room where there are rules already in place. I do not believe that police officers wear uniforms because they respect the public, far from it. Police officers wear uniforms to show cohesiveness as well as to show authority. There have been many psychological studies done on police uniforms and they are a good read. and that cohesiveness and authority are out of respect. the very same with why attorney's where business dress in a court of law. it shows their authority for their position, respect for the judge and respect for their clients. more people in this world, including Pete, should show more respect then perhaps they would get more in return. Shouldn't we be constantly challenging the status quo to ensure we are doing the best we can? Sure. How about we, including Pete, do so in the proper way? His execution was poor, his plan not at all thought out and his actions for nothing. In fact, he did "his cause" more harm than good. Perhaps if he approached the system with respect he would have earned some in return. Instead he approached the whole situation like a child, with very little understanding of the law and little care or respect for authority. Thus he got exactly what he asked for. He obviously didn't think through his expectations very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 looks pretty clear to me, the guy wouldnt remove his hat and started to be an ass hat, looks like he started to resist arrest. also his friends crying that the cops are hurting him by carrying him, it looks like he refused to walk, he crossed his back legs. HERP THE COP HAS A GUN ON TOO DOES THAT MEAN I CAN WEAR A GUN IN THE COURTHOUSE DERP? Fuckin NH hippies. Just take off your hat next time. These, stupid ass guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verse Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 The guy obviously handled it in the wrong manner, but if they are going to enforced a dress code then it should be posted. Why was he even let into the courthouse with the hat on if you can't have a hat on in the courthouse? He's a dip shit no doubt, but it was handled wrong by the officers, IMO. Just carry him out of the courthouse if he doesn't want to go by himself, is that really an arrestable offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 The guy obviously handled it in the wrong manner, but if they are going to enforced a dress code then it should be posted. Why was he even let into the courthouse with the hat on if you can't have a hat on in the courthouse? He's a dip shit no doubt, but it was handled wrong by the officers, IMO. Just carry him out of the courthouse if he doesn't want to go by himself, is that really an arrestable offense? So do you think a sign that says not shirt, shoes, no service....Oh and BTW, no hats should be posted? I agree that if the officers at the security area were "sharp" or courteous, they would have noted it to him that hats are not allowed, but then it was still his reaction to being told that got him thrown in the clink. Not the hat nor the officers not warning him. Dude should have known the dress code of the court before going there. No different that I do when looking to take the wife out to dinner at a new restaurant. I ask what the typical dress attire is as to not be embarrassed either over or under dressing. In the video, at 5:48 you can hear the kid say “just because it’s us” Us as in this wasn’t staged eh? Us as in it was clear there was a group of people in court. The baliff likely knew that too. That said, they weren't going to let the shenanigans begin. I will concur they "could have" just escorted him out. Consider the situation though. This group is up in NH, where they don't take shit. Believe me, I worked along the east coast for years. When it's 25mph and NH has a lot of 25mph zones, the cops mean it. Kid should have known better. I means shit, how dumb do you have to be to know that a court of law is not your living room and that perhaps you should error on the side of being dressed with a little respect. Especially if you're there to support your friends. I mean, hell, if I go to court and my buddies show up causing trouble and wearing inappropriate clothing, I'm kicking someones ass that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cranium Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 The guy obviously handled it in the wrong manner, but if they are going to enforced a dress code then it should be posted. Why was he even let into the courthouse with the hat on if you can't have a hat on in the courthouse? He's a dip shit no doubt, but it was handled wrong by the officers, IMO. Just carry him out of the courthouse if he doesn't want to go by himself, is that really an arrestable offense? Contempt of court is an arrestable offense. The policy is listed among others as set forth by the court. Or maybe you are talking about having it posted as a sign on the wall. If that is the case are you going to insist that the entire Ohio Revised Code be posted on every wall so you know what is right and what is wrong? When he was asked to stop wearing a hat in court he should have known he was doing something wrong. Any intelligent person can make that conclusion. His insistence that he is not doing anything wrong is irrelevant. Ignorance is no excuse. As an adult in our society you are expected to know our laws and follow them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 How this could have ended better: With him twitching on the ground from a healthy taze to the balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russian rocket Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I will concur they "could have" just escorted him out. the problem is, they tried to at first and he refused to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cranium Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hell, I've got a few beers in me. The big problem is the people who think they have the right to do whatever they want whenever they want. Yes, this country is founded on freedoms. The right of free speech is a good example. The right of free speech does not grant you the right to say anything you want whenever you want. If you want to test that try swearing at the judge the next time you are in a courtroom. You'll get a warning at first, and if you don't stop you will get the same treatment that dumbass got. It may seem like a little thing that he was wearing a hat in court. And to be completely honest, it really is a little thing. But the court is required to draw a line. What is right vs. what is wrong. There is no gray area. At some point it was defined that wearing a hat in court was disrespectful, and thereby wrong. Was he hurting anybody? No. Was he threatening anybody? No. But, by the courts definition he was in violation of policy. His failure to abide by the policy is what got his ass arrested. If he disagreed with the policy he should have taken it up with the courts in an intelligent manor. He chose not to do that and is now branded an "attention whore". I have no problem with anyone challenging authority. As long as they do it in a constructive manner. Going toe to toe with a judge in his courtroom is not constructive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm gearing up for a another night of toe to toe with the hippies over there. I have about 3 different threads that I'm tearing it up with them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowbalt Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 At some point it was defined that wearing a hat in court was disrespectful, and thereby wrong. Was he hurting anybody? No. Was he threatening anybody? No. But, by the courts definition he was in violation of policy. His failure to abide by the policy is what got his ass arrested. If he disagreed with the policy he should have taken it up with the courts in an intelligent manor. He chose not to do that and is now branded an "attention whore". I have no problem with anyone challenging authority. As long as they do it in a constructive manner. Going toe to toe with a judge in his courtroom is not constructive. I agree with this. It is painfully obvious that there are no hats allowed in court. I wonder if a person wearing a yarmulke would have received any different of treatment though? Also for the previous statement about why someone didn't stop him at the door, usually the bailiff is the one who handles those matters and hats can be worn inside the building, just not inside the courtroom itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cranium Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I agree with this. It is painfully obvious that there are no hats allowed in court. I wonder if a person wearing a yarmulke would have received any different of treatment though? Also for the previous statement about why someone didn't stop him at the door, usually the bailiff is the one who handles those matters and hats can be worn inside the building, just not inside the courtroom itself. Valid point. But this country was founded on religious freedom. Wearing a Yarmulke is not a fashion choice. In my opinion no different than a Hijab. Neither of which would normally be considered being disrespectful. My assumption is the court would respect the religious customs of American citizens and allow them. A dipshit in a knit cap is not the same in any way shape or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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