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[Slowbalt]

I think that is probably what would happen as well but why should this matter? Shouldn't rules be rules? Why should I be able to wear a hat because I believe that a specific book is true? Seems kind of strange doesn't it?

[V8 Beast]

What happens if your job has a no hat policy and you refuse to take it off....

 

Step 1: Management will ask you to remove the hat.

Step 2: Remind you that corrective action will take place and you will have to leave if you dont.

Step 3: If you refuse to leave or remove the hat management will call security (if available).

Step 4: If you refuse to leave or remove the hat security will call the police.

Step 5: You get arrested.

 

If you dont take off your hat in court...

Step 1: Ask them to remove the hat

Step 2: Since the police are already on site you get to go directly to jail, do not pass go.

[Slowbalt]

What happens if your job has a no hat policy and you refuse to take it off....

 

Step 1: Management will ask you to remove the hat

Step 2: Remind that they could get in trouble for it

Step 3: call security

Step 4: Security calls the police

Step 5: Get arrested

 

If you dont take off your hat in court...

Step 1: Ask them to remove the hat

Step 2: Since the police are already on site you get to go directly to jail, do not pass go.

I am pretty sure we established that about 3 pages ago, haha.

[TTQ B4U]

Shouldn't rules be rules? Why should I be able to wear a hat because I believe that a specific book is true? Seems kind of strange doesn't it?

 

It's the court system man, rules aren't all hard and fast. Kids like this are ass-hats period. They come off that way and they where hats that amplify "I'm an ass-hat" Judges call. It's their court room, they decide. Don't like it, call the supreme court, or don't re-elect the judge when his term is up.

[TTQ B4U]

What happens if your job has a no hat policy and you refuse to take it off....

 

Set a meeting with your boss and HR and negotiate an agreement if possible. Otherwise, it's work at will so you could always :gtfo:

[V8 Beast]

I am pretty sure we established that about 3 pages ago, haha.

 

Ding ding ding!!!!! Why in the hell are we debating common sense!!!!!!!

[V8 Beast]

Before this thread runs its course I want to say for the 1000th time that our country is doomed. I was raised to remove my hat while indoors because it is known to be a sign of disrespect. I was also raised to hold doors, say please, thank you, etc. while carrying myself like a respectable man. A man that can stand on his own two feet rather than being carried around like a kid throwing a tantrum. The person posted the video to show how poorly his friend was treated... I personally would have been embarrassed by my friends actions and would have never thought to record it for future viewing. I guess we are to the point as a country that our right to wear hats is more important than our right to respect our elders.

[Richard Cranium]

It's all good. Since he has stood up for his right to not respect his elders he will most likely be treated in kind. In another 10 or 20 years the youth will be standing up for their right to piss on him and call it rain.

[Slowbalt]

Before this thread runs its course I want to say for the 1000th time that our country is doomed. I was raised to remove my hat while indoors because it is known to be a sign of disrespect. I was also raised to hold doors, say please, thank you, etc. while carrying myself like a respectable man. A man that can stand on his own two feet rather than being carried around like a kid throwing a tantrum. The person posted the video to show how poorly his friend was treated... I personally would have been embarrassed by my friends actions and would have never thought to record it for future viewing. I guess we are to the point as a country that our right to wear hats is more important than our right to respect our elders.

 

If our country is doomed it is not because of people refusing to take off hats, it is because of people who do not question what is going on around them. The tradition of taking ones hat off started because men would hide guns/weapons in top hats and it was a sign of respect and trust to remove ones hat when entering someones home. I can follow why this tradition would have extended to a courtroom as well but we have to understand that tradition doesn't have some inherent value that we must preserve. We can preserve beneficial ideas and throw out the unhelpful or unnecessary ones. Also you state that you value removing your hat because you were raised that way, why is this a reason to value anything? I could have been raised to kick people in the shin but that doesn't make it the right or honorable thing to do.

[V8 Beast]

If our country is doomed it is not because of people refusing to take off hats, it is because of people who do not question what is going on around them. The tradition of taking ones hat off started because men would hide guns/weapons in top hats and it was a sign of respect and trust to remove ones hat when entering someones home. I can follow why this tradition would have extended to a courtroom as well but we have to understand that tradition doesn't have some inherent value that we must preserve. We can preserve beneficial ideas and throw out the unhelpful or unnecessary ones. Also you state that you value removing your hat because you were raised that way, why is this a reason to value anything? I could have been raised to kick people in the shin but that doesn't make it the right or honorable thing to do.

 

In one post you made up excuses to not be respectful, questioned common courtesy, and gave excuses as to not to value the way you were raised. Our right to complain and justify our disrespect has outweighed our right to do something very simple as a sign of respect. Thanks for validating my post. Have a good day

 

/thread

[Slowbalt]

In one post you made up excuses to not be respectful, questioned common courtesy, and gave excuses as to not to value the way you were raised. Our right to complain and justify our disrespect has outweighed our right to do something very simple as a sign of respect. Thanks for validating my post. Have a good day

 

/thread

 

I'm not sure who's post you are referring to because that is obviously not mine. It would do you good to try reading it again maybe?

[Mr. Jones]

I think Slowbalt's only purpose on this forum is to provide counter points to common sense and agitate the masses.

[Buckeye1647545503]

I think Slowbalt's only purpose on this forum is to provide counter points to common sense and agitate the masses.

 

+1

[V8 Beast]

I'm not sure who's post you are referring to because that is obviously not mine. It would do you good to try reading it again maybe?

 

I'll make this nice and easy.

 

People of the jury. Please let us know if think I read it wrong, or if you think I was spot on. Thank you.

[Mr. Jones]

I'll make this nice and easy.

 

People of the jury. Please let us know if think I read it wrong, or if you think I was spot on. Thank you.

 

 

+1 For Beast

 

-1000 For TardBalt

 

 

 

 

I think Slowbalt's only purpose on this forum is to provide counter points to common sense and agitate the masses.

[Slowbalt]

reading comprehension> Columbus Racing

[FormulaMatt]

I think Slowbalt's only purpose on this forum is to provide counter points to common sense and agitate the masses.

 

100% accurate. Anybody needing examples take note of the majority of the threads he actually posts in.

 

Troll is a bit of an understatement....

[Mr. Jones]

reading comprehension> Columbus Racing

 

 

Life > you.

[V8 Beast]

reading comprehension> Columbus Racing

 

All I can do is shake my head... Now Jones and I = all of CR. At least wait for more than one person to reply to my post

 

Also you state that you value removing your hat because you were raised that way, why is this a reason to value anything...

Just out of curiosity do you put your elbows on the table when you eat? Chew with your mouth open? Hold the door open for people? Fart in the room with lots of people around? Belch openly in public? Pick your nose and flick the boogers? They are all things that could be considered rude or disrespectful. I was raised to be respectful and I value that very much. I would hope that learning how to be respectful would be something that many people would value... too bad its not the case. Comparing taking off a hat to kicking people in the shin is comical at best.

[TTQ B4U]

If our country is doomed it is not because of people refusing to take off hats, it is because of people who do not question what is going on around them. The tradition of taking ones hat off started because men would hide guns/weapons in top hats and it was a sign of respect and trust to remove ones hat when entering someones home.

 

okay...so if they had to remove hats back then and you're saying that it's not likely they will have to continue such a tradition to be safe, what you are in turn saying is that punks today should drop their pants and boxers as by today's methods, they are hiding guns everywhere. Hats are particularly good for drugs.

 

 

I can follow why this tradition would have extended to a courtroom as well but we have to understand that tradition doesn't have some inherent value that we must preserve. We can preserve beneficial ideas and throw out the unhelpful or unnecessary ones. Also you state that you value removing your hat because you were raised that way, why is this a reason to value anything? I could have been raised to kick people in the shin but that doesn't make it the right or honorable thing to do.

 

The tradition of respect absolutely has inherent value. It's actually the one major thing that I see far less of in kids today than even just 10-15 years ago. Their sense of entitlement is their major flaw. Respect is earned and this punk hardly has earned any. There's zero inherent value in wearing a hat inside. If he's cold in a warm courtroom then wear some long underwear.

[TTQ B4U]

Just out of curiosity do you put your elbows on the table when you eat? Chew with your mouth open? Hold the door open for people? Fart in the room with lots of people around? Belch openly in public? Pick your nose and flick the boogers? They are all things that could be considered rude or disrespectful. I was raised to be respectful and I value that very much. I would hope that learning how to be respectful would be something that many people would value... too bad its not the case. Comparing taking off a hat to kicking people in the shin is comical at best.

 

Slowbalt is not getting that it's not the wearing of a hat that got this kid thrown in the clink, it's his reaction and actions after the balliff approach him that did it. He got what he deserves. The fact that the kid felt "his" own person belief that he has a right to do what he feels in a place of business, not a Public Space is greater than the reality of the law is what he needs to work out himself. He was dead wrong and I laugh at his record in life being fucked up over such a simple thing. Darwin goes political.

[Slowbalt]

okay...so if they had to remove hats back then and you're saying that it's not likely they will have to continue such a tradition to be safe, what you are in turn saying is that punks today should drop their pants and boxers as by today's methods, they are hiding guns everywhere. Hats are particularly good for drugs.

 

I am actually not saying any of that.

They didn't have to take of their hat, again it was a sign of respect, not something that one HAD to do. I think you and I both know the analogy proposed is a bit extreme. I don't follow the drugs in the hat comment though.

 

 

 

The tradition of respect absolutely has inherent value. It's actually the one major thing that I see far less of in kids today than even just 10-15 years ago. Their sense of entitlement is their major flaw. Respect is earned and this punk hardly has earned any. There's zero inherent value in wearing a hat inside. If he's cold in a warm courtroom then wear some long underwear.

 

I was not referring to respect, I was referring to tradition. These are two different concepts although they do intermingle at times. This guy does not show respect to the courtroom (arguably why should a courtroom deserve respect as it hasn't "earned" it) and also refused to comply with tradition and in this case entrenched tradition (rules). It is a tradition to say something when someone sneezes. This tradition has no inherent value as the reasoning for doing it is now obsolete.

Slowbalt is not getting that it's not the wearing of a hat that got this kid thrown in the clink, it's his reaction and actions after the balliff approach him that did it. He got what he deserves. The fact that the kid felt "his" own person belief that he has a right to do what he feels in a place of business, not a Public Space is greater than the reality of the law is what he needs to work out himself. He was dead wrong and I laugh at his record in life being fucked up over such a simple thing. Darwin goes political.

 

I understand that it was ultimately the refusal to leave that got him arrested. There ought to be no questions as to the facts of the matter as they are pretty cut and dry. I was only challenging the reasoning behind the "no hats in court" rule in the first place. If we agree that no hats are to be worn in court, and the court has the power to enforce this, than what happened to the guy merely follows this chain of reasoning. It's 2011 and we (at least some) understand psychology and history and I am simply questioning why it is a problem for someone to wear a hat inside a building the first place.

 

 

We do not blood let and drill holes to let the demons out anymore, come on guys.

[TTQ B4U]

I don't follow the drugs in the hat comment though.

 

users/dealers often hide drugs inside their hat.

 

 

This guy does not show respect to the courtroom (arguably why should a courtroom deserve respect as it hasn't "earned" it) and also refused to comply with tradition and in this case entrenched tradition (rules).

 

If you don't believe or see the courtroom and the officials there being deserving of respect then I would say you are leaving me and no doubt countless others speechless. I won't even begin to cover that here. I'll leave it as a WOW! followed by dumb. Bottom line is there are rules to attire in a courtroom. Not hard to follow them if one has even a single ounce of common sense. Don't like the rules then don't attend open court. Don't like the rules, then go about changing them in the correct manner. All else is pure FAIL.

 

It's 2011 and we (at least some) understand psychology and history and I am simply questioning why it is a problem for someone to wear a hat inside a building the first place.

 

That's a matter of opinion and I think the vast majority consider the lack of respect wearing a hat in a courtroom shows a matter not worth even considering for discussion. You're welcome to question it, but I'll stand on grounds that doing so is in poor taste, shows disrespect and serves zero purpose.

 

We do not blood let and drill holes to let the demons out anymore, come on guys.

 

No but we don't need to begin condoning dressing in less than poor taste in a court room. Others who disagree need to man-up and get a little class.

[V8 Beast]

We can challenge the reason, but honestly nothing can really be done about it due to the tradition. Like you said he could use drugs, guns, etc as reasoning behind it if questioned. If the judge says wear a tie or get out that's really up to the judge. No reasoning has to be given for the request. Tradition doesnt have to be explained, and there is no need to justify it. If he was asking them to strip then he could say no... Taking off a hat is a request a judge can make.

 

If the person wants to express their right to wear a hat it must be done in a place where they have enough power to do so. If they were in my house I have the power to have them removed (legally). The cop isn't going to tell me he has to stay in my house. They are going to escort him out. The only right they have is to take legal action of their own if they feel they were wrongly treated or singled out. However, even this is done after leaving or taking off the hat. There doesn't need to be a law, rule, or forewarning. All the owner of the hat needs is one request to remove it. At that point its take it off or get out. If you really want to wear it go outside or to your own home and wear it until your hearts content.

 

If the judge is found to be inconsistent in asking people to remove hats the guy has a case. Its just not something you argue with a judge about on the spot. You can be found in contempt for chewing gum if the judge really wants to take it that far. You fight it in a way that doesn't have you sitting behind bars. Use a higher power to put someone of a higher power than you in their place.

Edited January 30, 2011 by V8 Beast

[Rustlestiltskin]

thread getting outta control. here's a gif to cool it down.

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Edited January 30, 2011 by Rustlestiltskin