V8 Beast Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Are your other organs open for business? No, but I have a piano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 if martin made it physical first then he became the aggressor, anytime you escalate the situation you become the aggressor. Thats the part we may never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 No, but I have a piano he meant.... nevermind, well played.:gabe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 who gives a fuck about this case, whats different about it from everyother homicide that happens daily around the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 who gives a fuck about this case, whats different about it from everyother homicide that happens daily around the US? Media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 A hispanic guy shot a black guy. I promise that same day a month or so ago, some black guy shot a black guy. Some black guy shot a white guy. Some white chick shot a white dude. A grandma shot a daughter-in-law. Some drunk white guy shot himself. A busier news week and you never would have heard of this. A couple less useless wanna-be civil rights leaders involved, and you never would have heard of this. If the original photos that circulated would have been the teen "thug" pic and the hispanic in the suit, you never would have heard of this story. The best part by far is that nobody on CR knows all the facts, but is willing to debate the story. I just hope no pro-gun or pro-self defense laws get fucked up because of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Great link that I must have missed. It's from Sunday, but if I missed it perhaps others have too. Watch the video http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) It's like a Law and Order episode. 10 minutes before the episode ends the suspect always changes their story to "He was going for my gun, it went off. I didn't mean for this to happen!" Zimmerman needs to hire better writers or he'll never make it to season 2. eta: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-dogged-disciplinary-problems-school/story?id=16011674#.T3JfEmFmKQx The lead homicide investigator wanted to file manslaughter charges on the night of the shooting because he didn't find Z's story credible, but he was instructed not to... Edited March 28, 2012 by greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinHawk1647545499 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 sounds like zimmerman did a favor and took out a thieving drug addict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think the anti-gun crowd is going to eat this up one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshymkiw83 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 It's like a Law and Order episode. 10 minutes before the episode ends the suspect always changes their story to "He was going for my gun, it went off. I didn't mean for this to happen!" Zimmerman needs to hire better writers or he'll never make it to season 2. eta: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-dogged-disciplinary-problems-school/story?id=16011674#.T3JfEmFmKQx The lead homicide investigator wanted to file manslaughter charges on the night of the shooting because he didn't find Z's story credible, but he was instructed not to... You are leaving out who told him not to and why to make it more dramatic But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, So the people who would have to prosecute this guy, said there isn't enough evidence to prosecute the guy. It isn't like the Police Chief told him not to. This is the person whose job it is to seek justice, and use the court system. Has nothing to do with stories being credible, it has to do with EVIDENCE. Rememebr you are Innocent until proven guilty in this country. You also can't be tried for the same crime twice (Double jeopardy). With the minimal amount of evidence that exists (that we know of), if they took it to a Grand Jury, a Grand Jury would shoot it down so quickly. If they succeeded in getting a Grand Jury to go for it, I could almost say with 100% certainty a Jury would find him innocent in a Criminal Case (Based off what the public knows). Remember witnesses saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, beating him. There is no witness/evidence to suggest Zimmerman assaulted Martin first. (Based off what Public Information is known) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 So the people who would have to prosecute this guy, said there isn't enough evidence to prosecute the guy. Yeah, and if you go back through my posts you'll see that I agree. I think there's a shameful lack of evidence that would ultimately result in an acquittal, if it comes to that. There are questions to be answered, like could the police have attained sufficient evidence if they had taken the matter more seriously, but I doubt it. The fact is, it's one man's word against a dead kid's. The point is, the lead investigator didn't believe Zimmerman. For all I know, the attorney's office didn't believe him either. That they opted not to arrest him due to lack of evidence doesn't mean I can't still think Zimmerman is a lying sack of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 HEY GUYS REMEMBER OJ? GUYS? GUYS? REMEMBER OJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshymkiw83 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yeah, and if you go back through my posts you'll see that I agree. I think there's a shameful lack of evidence that would ultimately result in an acquittal, if it comes to that. There are questions to be answered, like could the police have attained sufficient evidence if they had taken the matter more seriously, but I doubt it. The fact is, it's one man's word against a dead kid's. The point is, the lead investigator didn't believe Zimmerman. For all I know, the attorney's office didn't believe him either. That they opted not to arrest him due to lack of evidence doesn't mean I can't still think Zimmerman is a lying sack of shit. Of course you can. But as most 'night of' things it is always easiest to blame the guy who said he shot him. Once you give it time to pan out and witnesses come forward, it is much better. The crucial gap may never be filled in, since only 2 people saw it, and one of them is no longer alive. What would be interesting to see is during the autopsy, did they note any brusing on the face of Martin, to indicate Zimmerman punched him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 HEY GUYS REMEMBER OJ? GUYS? GUYS? REMEMBER OJ? And we have our winnnnnnnnner. Remember this is the state of FL, the screwed pooch the deal on another high profile case too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 EL OH EL... Spike Lee is about to get sued to hell and back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 EL OH EL... Spike Lee is about to get sued to hell and back. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/spike-lee-zimmerman-tweet-567891 "Hai guyz here is dat address lets lynch this fool" "My bad wrong address" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 The point is, the lead investigator didn't believe Zimmerman. For all I know, the attorney's office didn't believe him either. That they opted not to arrest him due to lack of evidence doesn't mean I can't still think Zimmerman is a lying sack of shit. The lead investigator and prosecutors reaction is typical. My wife worked for the prosecutors office here in Cbus and she's pretty clear that when something like this happens, everyone is out to find someone to blame. They most certainly were not in any way going to try and clear Zimmerman. So their not believing him and having an itch to move forward is typical and very much a reality. If they didn't because there's lack of evidence or in this case what they claim is evidence to the contrary, it must have been solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/spike-lee-zimmerman-tweet-567891 "Hai guyz here is dat address lets lynch this fool" "My bad wrong address" This WHOLE thing is really bringing America to new lows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russian rocket Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 in for the tox screen result on martin being high as a fucking kit just wondering, you have a young, 160lb football player. i am assuming he is pretty fast on his feet given his weight and being athletic, if he was scared and being chased, couldn't he have easily just out ran zimmerman? hell i get the point that he could have been lost, but why not just run until something looks familiar? also when i was his age and still do to this day, when somebody thinks i am doing something wrong and wants to talk to me, i am more than willing to talk to them and clear my name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russian rocket Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 wow just listened to the 911 call prior to the altercation, how the idiots think this is racially motivated is beyond me. dispatcher: is he white, black or Hispanic zimmerman: he looks black people thinking that is racist is beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 in for the tox screen result on martin being high as a fucking kit if he was high he would have had more than just skittles and tea. A bag of grippos, some mike n ikes, a few slim jims, and an assortment of little debbies would be an indication of drug usage. Only reason I know is because all guys that wear hoodies do drugs... and I have 4 hoodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spam Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 :no::no::no: I have hoodies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 :no::no::no: I have hoodies... http://www.random-badge-emporium.com/ekmps/shops/randombadges/resources/Products/206614-6-.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Remember upthread where I asked why Zimmerman's lawyers haven't released any pictures of him looking all battered and bruised in order to gain sympathy for his client? Well, here's the latest and greatest from ABC -- surveillance footage from the police station from the night of the shooting: http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475 I'll let you draw your own conclusions about if the guy in the video had a broken nose, had his head repeatedly slammed into a sidewalk, and was being pounded by a junior athlete, in the face, with such ferocity that he had to use deadly force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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