Jeffrey Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ATS is 3630 AWD, and 3460 RWD, G8 is 3880 for the v6... so lets not exaggerate... Sure you can get a loaded v8 GT for 4000lbs... Furthermore, lets talk size.... and we will use the important part of wheel base and track width... Wheel Base G8: 114.8 ATS: 109.3 Track Width F/R G8: 62.7/63.3 ATS: 59.5/60.9 So it is a whopping 5" shorter on wheel base, and 3" narrower... yea, it is so much smaller.... But to the point made, it is more than I thought it was still, so I can see the gap. In terms of cars, a 5" difference in wheel base, and a 3" difference in track is a pretty good size difference. Having owned a G8 GT (the 4000lb variety ) and sitting in and walking around an ATS there is a big difference in size. Not trying to argue but to say that the projected sizing of the new GN will be similar to the G8 is just a false statement all around. The G8 is just a BIG car inside out, and honestly I loved the extra size of it and would gladly take the weight penalty for more space. Just made the car ride better and more comfortable on longer trips. To sum it up G8 = Full size ATS/new GN = mid-size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 OMG that's sexy. I had the pleasure of driving Buzz's CTS-v a few weekends and I fell in love with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 In terms of cars, a 5" difference in wheel base, and a 3" difference in track is a pretty good size difference. Having owned a G8 GT (the 4000lb variety ) and sitting in and walking around an ATS there is a big difference in size. Not trying to argue but to say that the projected sizing of the new GN will be similar to the G8 is just a false statement all around. The G8 is just a BIG car inside out, and honestly I loved the extra size of it and would gladly take the weight penalty for more space. Just made the car ride better and more comfortable on longer trips. To sum it up G8 = Full size ATS/new GN = mid-size Yeah, it's a pretty big difference. The ATS is almost identical in size to a 3-series, actually it even pretty close to a Cruze's external dimensions. The alpha platform will also underpin the next Camaro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 In to see GM's next gen power train ( and controllers!). Centralized boost management? Check. Hopefully a few find their way on GM Performance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 In to see GM's next gen power train ( and controllers!). Centralized boost management? Check. Hopefully a few find their way on GM Performance... Centralized? I've not heard this term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Didn't mean to make it sound fancy -- if GM doesn't padlock the controller -- this would be a fun OEM setup to play with; one of the few with the hardware and software intended for wastegate control. For most of us, that means no pressing need to use external controller systems or interfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Didn't mean to make it sound fancy -- if GM doesn't padlock the controller -- this would be a fun OEM setup to play with; one of the few with the hardware and software intended for wastegate control. For most of us, that means no pressing need to use external controller systems or interfaces. Forgive my ignorance, but how has this been done in the past? I've only seen inside the VW/Audi stuff, and there has been wastegate duty cycle control for eons with build in solenoids similar to that of aftermarket systems. Requested boost per map ect. ect. ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 i like it, i'd rock one for sure. if it comes with AWD, it would be a no-brainer for me. anyone not thinking GM is in the performace car business needs their head examined. my V is the best car i've ever driven---period. it feels 10 times lighter, more in control compared with the GT500 i just bought. the car looks sexy as hell with the big grill and raised hood--GM styled the car perfectly. once the tires are warmed up, the car is an absolute 'rape machine' from light to light with the auto, and i'm bone stock. when i took my vette to chicago to mod it, the owner of the shop had a pulleyed cts-v with cooling mods and drag radials---he routinely ran low 11's with the simplest of mods. his license plate was "60 footr"----these cars roll out like a mother and keep pulling well into the 100's. like me, he preferred the V over the vette for all but the most extreme driving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs.cos Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It could be an awesome lightweight AWD car and I'd bet you'd go buy another Subaru, why do you care? Little do you know, my true dream car is the CTSV Wagon. I don't hate GM cars, they just aren't the best at what i want/can afford. Nathans TransAm was among my dream cars and everything he had done to it was a true work of art in my eyes. The fact of the matter is GM doesnt know how to remake a car that isn't a lardass. I have always wanted a GN, but never had a reason to own one. :shrug: I do love my subarus, but i love all cars for many different reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Forgive my ignorance, but how has this been done in the past? I've only seen inside the VW/Audi stuff, and there has been wastegate duty cycle control for eons with build in solenoids similar to that of aftermarket systems. Requested boost per map ect. ect. ect. Outside of the small cylinder turbocharged configs, all of the controllers available to the public have been centered around controls that regulate Eaton's blowers. They do have a control method in place, but the driver and setup is meant to drive the bypass to an open state (regulation opens the bypass, bypassing rotors, lowering boost). Lots of the goodies are in place when it comes to the control loops, but the application would take some brain storming to interface with a wastegte style control system. The simple answer is, wastegate control or an AMS10000000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Maybe it's just me, but I wish somebody would offer their performance models with tons of option deletes, cloth seats, and super basic everything. Just give me the go fast shit. I would, for example, be a buyer for a V6 bodied Mustang with no options, power nothing, and the 5.0/6-speed combo.... or something along those lines. If it knocks 5 grand off the entry price, I'm interested. Basically I'd like the finest mechanical goodies in the cheapest, ugliest chassis you've got, and sell it to me. I would like the same but this caters to such a small group there's not enough money in it for this to be offered it seems like. Most people want the leather heated seats/wheel, sat/nav, power roof etc....etc... Even I will admit, with the exception of the leather I like all the equipment in my car, decent stereo, a/c, power everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 that seems narrow minded. And what makes you think the coupe has "died"? Plenty of real sports cars, or sports coupes in the market. Some people want/need/prefer 4 doors... for family, practicality, space, etc... and some of that group of people still want performance and power and the ability to use it in a performance oriented manner. And some of that group do it because of the perception of prestige... Just because you prefer a sports car, or a sports coupe, doesnt discount that there is a LARGE market for sports sedans, more particularly "luxury" sports sedans. I guess I'm of the opinion that outside of the Corvette world, the G-Body is the ONLY good thing to come out of GM since the 60's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 i like it, i'd rock one for sure. if it comes with AWD, it would be a no-brainer for me. anyone not thinking GM is in the performace car business needs their head examined. my V is the best car i've ever driven---period. it feels 10 times lighter, more in control compared with the GT500 i just bought. the car looks sexy as hell with the big grill and raised hood--GM styled the car perfectly. once the tires are warmed up, the car is an absolute 'rape machine' from light to light with the auto, and i'm bone stock. when i took my vette to chicago to mod it, the owner of the shop had a pulleyed cts-v with cooling mods and drag radials---he routinely ran low 11's with the simplest of mods. his license plate was "60 footr"----these cars roll out like a mother and keep pulling well into the 100's. like me, he preferred the V over the vette for all but the most extreme driving Your reply just gave me wood for a car. :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicedH22 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I guess I'm of the opinion that outside of the Corvette world, the G-Body is the ONLY good thing to come out of GM since the 60's. I can see that, depending on your style of automobile, but think of the industry as a whole and you will see otherwise... f-bodies are hugely popular and successful to the drag racing crowd the cavalier was a HUGELY successful car in capturing the domestic compact car buyer. Suburban, revolutionized the large SUV. And lets not forget the iconic luxury suv, the Escalade Blazer/trailblazer, widely popular small SUV and thats just off the top of my head... Oh, what about the muscle era of hte 70s, such as the Malibu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I might be persuaded to get a V8-powered model; I can see the appeal in a nicely-powered, lighter car; however, that's going to be a lower priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIEF Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I guess I'm of the opinion that outside of the Corvette world, the G-Body is the ONLY good thing to come out of GM since the 60's. Hate much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanB Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I would bet you it'll be more in the range of $45k+. Look at Srt8 Chargers. Holy shit. $50k for a fucking charger? Give me a break. Yeah 50k is outrageous for a Charger; 10 years ago one of these or a Charger would've been probably 10k cheaper lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanB Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I guess I'm of the opinion that outside of the Corvette world, the G-Body is the ONLY good thing to come out of GM since the 60's. Lol on this forum alone 90+% of people would also say the F-Body, G-Body was good, but not the sole, greatest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The way I see it now, since GM gave Pontiac (or what GM was going for for the sportier lineup) the axe, now there has to be some sort of replacement for the market of people who want something a little more fun to drive. I think they are trying to get away from Buick (in the eyes of americans at least) being a "grandpa car" brand. There has not been anything that seems like it would be fun to drive from Buick (I would make the exception for the supercharged models except that the Grand Prix GTP was sportier than what Buick was turning out) since the 80's, up until Pontiac got the axe. I think this line of cars they are coming out with are going to target here in America as the only reason Buick is around still (from what I heard on the news, but there could be other reasons, idk) is that they are hugely popular in China. Either way, I'm excited to see reviews on any of these cars as they sound like they would be much more fun than anything since the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerx78 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It looks good, no just for a buick but overall. I don't care of they call it a GNX, Grand National, or National Lampoon. I just want it to have the performance to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I guess I'm of the opinion that outside of the Corvette world, the G-Body is the ONLY good thing to come out of GM since the 60's. http://i.imgur.com/ok42S.gif http://awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tears.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l36tols1 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 That car looks mean do want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I can see that, depending on your style of automobile, but think of the industry as a whole and you will see otherwise... f-bodies are hugely popular and successful to the drag racing crowd the cavalier was a HUGELY successful car in capturing the domestic compact car buyer. Suburban, revolutionized the large SUV. And lets not forget the iconic luxury suv, the Escalade Blazer/trailblazer, widely popular small SUV and thats just off the top of my head... Oh, what about the muscle era of hte 70s, such as the Malibu! Hate much? Lol on this forum alone 90+% of people would also say the F-Body, G-Body was good, but not the sole, greatest http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/copperhead035/tumblr_m0izvrs3Dm1qfczas.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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