RC K9 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/why-we-wont-get-a-faster-scion-frs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I remember walking through a Subaru dealer when they had a "market adjustment" on the BRZ. Now, there are tons for sale and no buyers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 "The biggest complaint about the car is its lack of power," according to a bunch of vocal but financially irrelevant internet broke-dicks who want to buy the car used 10 years from now. The average age of new car buyers is north of 50, and I'd wager that for niche models it's even higher. Scion is supposedly about a decade lower, but enthusiasts don't drive the market. The Miata was a sales success not because it had a whopping 130hp, but because it was cute, and the fact that it was reliable and fun to drive helped to secure the brand as a secondary function. The V6 Mustang was slow as shit until the new one (which is probably still not any faster than an FR-S), but they sell enough of those to justify it. FR-S/BR-Z sales are weak because it's a car that fails to evoke any emotion in anyone. It's a competent little sports coupe that is a hoot to drive and fast enough for 99.99% of the population, but Toyota and Subaru were silly for thinking it would sell on those merits alone. In this segment, it's all about style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 The car appeals to a very small subset of the population... Nobody wants to spend 30K on a "sports car" to have it get violated by mom's v6 camry. The .02% of the population who appreciate it for what it is have bought them. The rest will rot away, eventually become cheap enough for kids to buy an put ebay turbo kids on. Most people are in love with horsepower... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Could not care any less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 The car appeals to a very small subset of the population... Nobody wants to spend 30K on a "sports car" to have it get violated by mom's v6 camry. The .02% of the population who appreciate it for what it is have bought them. The rest will rot away, eventually become cheap enough for kids to buy an put ebay turbo kids on. Most people are in love with horsepower... If people wanted an FR-S with more horsepower, they can easily do what Doc did and still probably walk away for under $30 grand without so much as turning a wrench. "Oh noes, my warranty," says nobody. Problem is, it's a cheap, spartan interior, and then people will say, "I'm spending 30 grand for a shitty interior like this?" So then it costs 35 grand with an upgraded interior and people say, "35 large and It's only got 300hp?" like they do about the STi and Evo, and then they just buy a used C6 or something. These people were not serious about buying the car in the first place, because they're reducing to numbers what's inherently an emotional decision. The reason they're doing that is because the GT-86 fails to evoke emotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 The V6 Mustang was slow as shit until the new one (which is probably still not any faster than an FR-S), but they sell enough of those to justify it. Nope. Mustang is almost 2 seconds quicker than the FR-S in the 1/4 mile. I own a Mustang, and have driven the FR-S. FR-S is more fun in the corners though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Nope. Mustang is almost 2 seconds quicker than the FR-S in the 1/4 mile. I own a Mustang, and have driven the FR-S. FR-S is more fun in the corners though. 2 seconds seems a stretch, but .8 I'd buy. Point conceded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 2 seconds seems a stretch, but .8 I'd buy. Point conceded. Pulled up the review of each from Car and Driver. They have the difference at 1.8 in the 1/4. Killer for the Mustang is the near 3600lb curb weight. I'm surprised though. These things were very well welcomed by the community. Didn't expect the sales numbers to be that low. I agree with the pricing aspect though. You'd think a mid to upper 20k car would have slightly more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 The new mustang V6 is 300hp+ and takes to mods decently well, it also has torque, which the Toybaru's have none of.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Nobody wants to spend 30K on a "sports car" to have it get violated by mom's v6 camry. :lolguy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrxRcr Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I blame Shawn, he could have bought 4 FRS/BRZs instead of the skyline, way to single handedly ruin it for the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 :lolguy: Miata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyctsv Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I blame Shawn, he could have bought 4 FRS/BRZs instead of the skyline, way to single handedly ruin it for the rest of us. Love it....Sean "Toybaru Killer" Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonrottes Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I feel like it was marketed more towards the tuners in their 20's to early 30's. who probably don't have money to mod something that new just to keep up with a Civic. Sure it looks cool, but who really buys a car strictly on appearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontiacfreak142 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 The new mustang V6 is 300hp+ and takes to mods decently well, it also has torque, which the Toybaru's have none of.. Decently well is an understatement. Ive seen a few with minor bolt ons (intake/exaust), tune and tires run 12's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoMeSomeFun Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Sure it looks cool, but who really buys a car strictly on appearance? Me, but I don't buy new cars ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 kinda reminds me of a buttaface chick. the car is a blast to drive, just like a girl who is cool as hell to talk with an be around. The car looks great, not perfect inside but pretty cool. Just like the girl with a great rack and damn nice ass. However, the engine is like the same chicks ugly ass face that you'd have to bag twice and bury deep in a pillow to nail. Heaven forbid you take that car to the drag strip too. Just as you wouldn't take that same chick to your company part and introduce her as your soon to be spouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleguy Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I have driven the FRS and really enjoy it. The steering feel and seating position in relation to the wheel and shifter are amazing. You could do things in it that would require much much more speed to do in my FD. My problems were that the seats are too narrow and the materials aren't great. Now if they made a Lexus version that had a lot more luxury and comfy seats as well as some really nice materials for around $40K I would be all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'll tell you why I would never buy one: Wheezy flat-four. Fucking hate the sound of it, hate the feel of it, and it doesn't have the spirit of the '86 to me. Otherwise the car checks all the other boxes for me. One day I'll own one, and it'll get a Beams 3S with ITBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleskate Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 It doesn't necessarily need more power, it just needs a more fun engine. Heck, even a stock F20C would wake that thing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verse Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'll tell you why I would never buy one: Wheezy flat-four. Fucking hate the sound of it, hate the feel of it, and it doesn't have the spirit of the '86 to me. Otherwise the car checks all the other boxes for me. One day I'll own one, and it'll get a Beams 3S with ITBs. This is the reason I haven't bought one. I'm a Toyota purist, and I hate that they put a Subaru motor in it. Hell a 2AZ 2.4 would be a blast in that car. They could have thrown any newer Camry or Corolla motor in this thing and I'd probably have one. It's not an 86, it's a 86 wannabe, I could have 4-5 nice AE86's for the price of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miller11386 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Could not care any less. This^ It was a bastard from the start. Toyota "styling" LOL and a Subaru powerplant that cant handle shit for power to begin with LOLx2 if you gave me one, the first thing id do is rip the drivetrain out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10phone2 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 easy solution: 1uz and w58 5 speed from the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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