WWCRD - Selling the Caddy, need a DD. (Draco loses his mind)

[Zx2guy19]

Good luck buddy... I owned a 2012 Volt, which might go down in history as being the worst possible car ever produced.. Not only was it stupid expensive to run in the winter, but the constant repairs and broken parts was just incredible..

 

History:

Purchased the car Certified Pre-Owned with 11K miles on it, in 2014.

Paid 8,995 bucks for it..

figured how bad could it be..

In the summer, it was nice, loved the low end torque, loved the seats, and the space age electronics. Finicky at times, but still kinda cool.. Unfortunately the joy was short lived.. In the year i owned it i drove 18K miles, but not on the volt, i only put 6k miles on the volt in the year, due to the rest of the miles being put on GM rental cars, due to a constant flow of problems.. The first was the keyless start, the interior key module broke about 14 times that year, and the result of it breaking is, it wouldn't start after being plugged in, and wouldn't turn off after getting where you wanted to go. The Climate control broke, and wouldn't either heat or cool the car, both were replaced under warranty, only took 3 weeks to get the parts. The coolant system started to leak after that, and required them to replace some parts under the car, the dealership didn't drop the exhaust the correct way, which put a kink in it, and caused the pipe to crack before the cat, leaking exhaust into the car when driving, they replaced that shortly after with a new full exhaust system. The next fun time event was the steering column which actually separated in the worm gearing causing me to be able to spin the wheel at 60MPH on the highway without turning in any direction. Which resulted in a new column, would have been nice, but they replaced it with the same part and told me there is a known issue on all first generation volts, where over time the gearing pulls apart, and will cause the same issue.. so it's not if, it is when.. there was never a recall on it.. it's a TSB, and only affects certain cars.. The electrical system shorted out my house, which nuked the circuit in my home where the car was plugged in and melted the charger to the outlet.. GM indicated this was an issue with the first revision of the charging system. They replaced the charging cord.. and i had to pay out of pocket 2K to have the home electrical system fixed.. The Charge port door would stick, and not open, as a result it would throw a code, they indicated that the charge button needed to be pressed for 20 seconds to release the door correctly.. than wtf is the point of the button on the key.. shortly after that the engine developed a nice knock, which was due to a head gasket blow. Conveniently you could still drive on full electric, but in the first models the engine would automatically kick in to heat the car in the cold, so they told me to just drive it like that.. at 13K miles they replaced the engine under warranty. The electric windows next stopped working, and the air bag switch malfunctioned and caused the cars air bags to randomly enable and disable.. the door switch failed, telling the me door was open when it wasn't. The gas tank pressure system failed next, which caused the engine to die and when you were out of EV it would buck until it stopped, requiring the dealership to come scoop that pile of crap off the side of the road.. The last straw was when the head unit died, and due to the code, they told me it wasn't covered under certified warranty.. due to the programming on the unit, it is a 6K dollar replacement.. I ended up getting a lawyer and Suing GM for the time out of work, cost of rentals, and loss in resale due to all the issues.. won 12K dollars.. traded it in on a Toyota.. really hope you have better luck.. and don't have the same steering column issue.. In total the car was in the shop 47 times in 10 months..

 

As per the MPG.. It's not as good as anyone tells you.. it is possible that maybe my Volt was just f'd up... which isn't or wouldn't be a surprise.. But..

 

The first generation volt does 28 miles a charge, roughly.. (Summer-City Under 50mph)

at .07 per KWh it would take 12 hours to charge on 120V. Cost total minus transmission fees was .84 per 28 miles..

 

Highway it would do about 13 miles a charge at .07 per Kwh or .84 a charge.

 

Winter:

9 Miles per charge, charging is more expensive in the winter, as the recharge system in a volt has to run the coolant heater to keep the batteries at a specific temp. So that .84 is more like 1.00 a charge at 9 miles.. add in the cost of keeping the heater on in the car at 67 degrees and it's more like 7 miles per charge (city)..

 

Compare that cost to a toyota Camry which is not only about 20K less expensive to begin with new.. But just in MPG i get 32MPG city and 38MPG highway with the heat at 100+ (i like heat)

 

So that all being said..

The Volt in the winter at .07KWh = 1.00 per 9 miles traveled..

Toyota Camry in winter 32 miles per 1.80 per gallon..

Volt gas equivalent is 3.55 per 32 miles driven.. (That's only on electric cost, not adding in the cost of gasoline..

 

So... I just don't understand the point?

 

That hurt my life just reading that. Holy shit man. The poor Toyota dealership that took it in :gabe:

[Mallard]

Good luck buddy... I owned a 2012 Volt, which might go down in history as being the worst possible car ever produced.. Not only was it stupid expensive to run in the winter, but the constant repairs and broken parts was just incredible..

 

History:

Purchased the car Certified Pre-Owned with 11K miles on it, in 2014.

Paid 8,995 bucks for it..

figured how bad could it be..

In the summer, it was nice, loved the low end torque, loved the seats, and the space age electronics. Finicky at times, but still kinda cool.. Unfortunately the joy was short lived.. In the year i owned it i drove 18K miles, but not on the volt, i only put 6k miles on the volt in the year, due to the rest of the miles being put on GM rental cars, due to a constant flow of problems.. The first was the keyless start, the interior key module broke about 14 times that year, and the result of it breaking is, it wouldn't start after being plugged in, and wouldn't turn off after getting where you wanted to go. The Climate control broke, and wouldn't either heat or cool the car, both were replaced under warranty, only took 3 weeks to get the parts. The coolant system started to leak after that, and required them to replace some parts under the car, the dealership didn't drop the exhaust the correct way, which put a kink in it, and caused the pipe to crack before the cat, leaking exhaust into the car when driving, they replaced that shortly after with a new full exhaust system. The next fun time event was the steering column which actually separated in the worm gearing causing me to be able to spin the wheel at 60MPH on the highway without turning in any direction. Which resulted in a new column, would have been nice, but they replaced it with the same part and told me there is a known issue on all first generation volts, where over time the gearing pulls apart, and will cause the same issue.. so it's not if, it is when.. there was never a recall on it.. it's a TSB, and only affects certain cars.. The electrical system shorted out my house, which nuked the circuit in my home where the car was plugged in and melted the charger to the outlet.. GM indicated this was an issue with the first revision of the charging system. They replaced the charging cord.. and i had to pay out of pocket 2K to have the home electrical system fixed.. The Charge port door would stick, and not open, as a result it would throw a code, they indicated that the charge button needed to be pressed for 20 seconds to release the door correctly.. than wtf is the point of the button on the key.. shortly after that the engine developed a nice knock, which was due to a head gasket blow. Conveniently you could still drive on full electric, but in the first models the engine would automatically kick in to heat the car in the cold, so they told me to just drive it like that.. at 13K miles they replaced the engine under warranty. The electric windows next stopped working, and the air bag switch malfunctioned and caused the cars air bags to randomly enable and disable.. the door switch failed, telling the me door was open when it wasn't. The gas tank pressure system failed next, which caused the engine to die and when you were out of EV it would buck until it stopped, requiring the dealership to come scoop that pile of crap off the side of the road.. The last straw was when the head unit died, and due to the code, they told me it wasn't covered under certified warranty.. due to the programming on the unit, it is a 6K dollar replacement.. I ended up getting a lawyer and Suing GM for the time out of work, cost of rentals, and loss in resale due to all the issues.. won 12K dollars.. traded it in on a Toyota.. really hope you have better luck.. and don't have the same steering column issue.. In total the car was in the shop 47 times in 10 months..

 

As per the MPG.. It's not as good as anyone tells you.. it is possible that maybe my Volt was just f'd up... which isn't or wouldn't be a surprise.. But..

 

The first generation volt does 28 miles a charge, roughly.. (Summer-City Under 50mph)

at .07 per KWh it would take 12 hours to charge on 120V. Cost total minus transmission fees was .84 per 28 miles..

 

Highway it would do about 13 miles a charge at .07 per Kwh or .84 a charge.

 

Winter:

9 Miles per charge, charging is more expensive in the winter, as the recharge system in a volt has to run the coolant heater to keep the batteries at a specific temp. So that .84 is more like 1.00 a charge at 9 miles.. add in the cost of keeping the heater on in the car at 67 degrees and it's more like 7 miles per charge (city)..

 

Compare that cost to a toyota Camry which is not only about 20K less expensive to begin with new.. But just in MPG i get 32MPG city and 38MPG highway with the heat at 100+ (i like heat)

 

So that all being said..

The Volt in the winter at .07KWh = 1.00 per 9 miles traveled..

Toyota Camry in winter 32 miles per 1.80 per gallon..

Volt gas equivalent is 3.55 per 32 miles driven.. (That's only on electric cost, not adding in the cost of gasoline..

 

So... I just don't understand the point?

Sounds like you had a lemon. I wonder if it was lemon lawed before you bought it.

 

In 3 years and 30k miles our 2012 had the on board charger and heated seat module replaced under warranty, as well as the original 110V charger that came with the vehicle. The 12V battery died once and I'm convinced it's because something on the car didn't go to sleep, but it never happened again.

 

I got as much as 50 miles out of the battery (city driving/70F), but in the winter time it was more like 12 miles.

 

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[TTQ B4U]

In 3 years and 30k miles our 2012 had the on board charger and heated seat module replaced under warranty, as well as the original 110V charger that came with the vehicle. The 12V battery died once and I'm convinced it's because something on the car didn't go to sleep, but it never happened again.

 

^^ that's still not instilling much confidence. Just my opinion.

[Mallard]

^^ that's still not instilling much confidence. Just my opinion.

Understood. The early Volts (beginning of the first model year) had some known issues with the chargers. I was told all 110V chargers were being replaced with a later hardware revision. Pretty much all the early ones would fry after a while. It was a supplier design issue that was changed (Lear).

 

Take the charger issues away and I had a seat heater module go bad. Big deal. Covered under warranty. Nothing like the laundry list posted above.

[kirks5oh]

fuck, i would have lit that car on fire, put the cruise control on 30mph, and driven it right through the fucking dealership front door if i had half of those issues with any car.

 

christ

[zeitgeist57]

^^ that's still not instilling much confidence. Just my opinion.

 

+1.

 

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Spongebob_52d8c0_739194.jpg

 

fuck, i would have lit that car on fire, put the cruise control on 30mph, and driven it right through the fucking dealership front door if i had half of those issues with any car.

 

christ

 

L:lolguy:L

[l36tols1]

Good luck buddy... I owned a 2012 Volt, which might go down in history as being the worst possible car ever produced.. Not only was it stupid expensive to run in the winter, but the constant repairs and broken parts was just incredible..

 

History:

Purchased the car Certified Pre-Owned with 11K miles on it, in 2014.

Paid 8,995 bucks for it..

figured how bad could it be..

In the summer, it was nice, loved the low end torque, loved the seats, and the space age electronics. Finicky at times, but still kinda cool.. Unfortunately the joy was short lived.. In the year i owned it i drove 18K miles, but not on the volt, i only put 6k miles on the volt in the year, due to the rest of the miles being put on GM rental cars, due to a constant flow of problems.. The first was the keyless start, the interior key module broke about 14 times that year, and the result of it breaking is, it wouldn't start after being plugged in, and wouldn't turn off after getting where you wanted to go. The Climate control broke, and wouldn't either heat or cool the car, both were replaced under warranty, only took 3 weeks to get the parts. The coolant system started to leak after that, and required them to replace some parts under the car, the dealership didn't drop the exhaust the correct way, which put a kink in it, and caused the pipe to crack before the cat, leaking exhaust into the car when driving, they replaced that shortly after with a new full exhaust system. The next fun time event was the steering column which actually separated in the worm gearing causing me to be able to spin the wheel at 60MPH on the highway without turning in any direction. Which resulted in a new column, would have been nice, but they replaced it with the same part and told me there is a known issue on all first generation volts, where over time the gearing pulls apart, and will cause the same issue.. so it's not if, it is when.. there was never a recall on it.. it's a TSB, and only affects certain cars.. The electrical system shorted out my house, which nuked the circuit in my home where the car was plugged in and melted the charger to the outlet.. GM indicated this was an issue with the first revision of the charging system. They replaced the charging cord.. and i had to pay out of pocket 2K to have the home electrical system fixed.. The Charge port door would stick, and not open, as a result it would throw a code, they indicated that the charge button needed to be pressed for 20 seconds to release the door correctly.. than wtf is the point of the button on the key.. shortly after that the engine developed a nice knock, which was due to a head gasket blow. Conveniently you could still drive on full electric, but in the first models the engine would automatically kick in to heat the car in the cold, so they told me to just drive it like that.. at 13K miles they replaced the engine under warranty. The electric windows next stopped working, and the air bag switch malfunctioned and caused the cars air bags to randomly enable and disable.. the door switch failed, telling the me door was open when it wasn't. The gas tank pressure system failed next, which caused the engine to die and when you were out of EV it would buck until it stopped, requiring the dealership to come scoop that pile of crap off the side of the road.. The last straw was when the head unit died, and due to the code, they told me it wasn't covered under certified warranty.. due to the programming on the unit, it is a 6K dollar replacement.. I ended up getting a lawyer and Suing GM for the time out of work, cost of rentals, and loss in resale due to all the issues.. won 12K dollars.. traded it in on a Toyota.. really hope you have better luck.. and don't have the same steering column issue.. In total the car was in the shop 47 times in 10 months..

 

As per the MPG.. It's not as good as anyone tells you.. it is possible that maybe my Volt was just f'd up... which isn't or wouldn't be a surprise.. But..

 

The first generation volt does 28 miles a charge, roughly.. (Summer-City Under 50mph)

at .07 per KWh it would take 12 hours to charge on 120V. Cost total minus transmission fees was .84 per 28 miles..

 

Highway it would do about 13 miles a charge at .07 per Kwh or .84 a charge.

 

Winter:

9 Miles per charge, charging is more expensive in the winter, as the recharge system in a volt has to run the coolant heater to keep the batteries at a specific temp. So that .84 is more like 1.00 a charge at 9 miles.. add in the cost of keeping the heater on in the car at 67 degrees and it's more like 7 miles per charge (city)..

 

Compare that cost to a toyota Camry which is not only about 20K less expensive to begin with new.. But just in MPG i get 32MPG city and 38MPG highway with the heat at 100+ (i like heat)

 

So that all being said..

The Volt in the winter at .07KWh = 1.00 per 9 miles traveled..

Toyota Camry in winter 32 miles per 1.80 per gallon..

Volt gas equivalent is 3.55 per 32 miles driven.. (That's only on electric cost, not adding in the cost of gasoline..

 

So... I just don't understand the point?

 

Exactly why I spent the extra 1.5k and got a 13 instead. NO issues with mine.

[coltboostin]

^^ that's still not instilling much confidence. Just my opinion.

 

No LOL.

 

In 30k Miles between the CTS-V and BMW all I have replaces was smiles, with more smiles, and changed the oil.

 

Interesting that the Eletric shits are so bad in Cold weather. Simple concept, just never though about it. Maybe why I never see my neighbor drive his Telsa int he winter?

[TheManInDboX]

Should probably add this in..

 

GM does not have to report a used car being resold as a lemon.. In other words in the state of Ohio GM has the right to sell used cars that were lemon returns without disclosing it was a lemon..

 

GM also has the right to not disclose all service records, so when you do a car fax, if a car was in the shop 100 times in a year, it may only show the scheduled oil changes..

 

I found all this out when i got the lawyer and sued GM..

 

Ford/Slowpar/etc.. all under federal law have to disclose this information in the state of Ohio.. Just not GM..

[Mallard]

Should probably add this in..

 

GM does not have to report a used car being resold as a lemon.. In other words in the state of Ohio GM has the right to sell used cars that were lemon returns without disclosing it was a lemon..

 

GM also has the right to not disclose all service records, so when you do a car fax, if a car was in the shop 100 times in a year, it may only show the scheduled oil changes..

 

I found all this out when i got the lawyer and sued GM..

 

Ford/Slowpar/etc.. all under federal law have to disclose this information in the state of Ohio.. Just not GM..

Why does GM get special treatment? That's F'd up.

 

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[Geeto67]

Why does GM get special treatment? That's F'd up.

 

I don't know that they get special treatment so much as they might game the system better than other mfgs (if someone has a cite or a link that shows a law that GM gets special treatment post it I would love to read it). Many states do not have to physically brand the title a lemon - it just becomes a notation in the DMV system. So if the car is "branded" a lemon in say NY and it doesn't show on the title - an Ohio office looking at the NY title for the purposes of reissuing might not realize it's a lemon and issue a clean title. Some states only require disclosure on first resale, so if you lemon the car in Pennsylvania (who also doesn't brand titles), the dealer in Penn who sells it as a used car has to tell you. But if it gets repo'ed and the dealer sells it a second time - they don't have to tell you.

[coltboostin]

So if the car is "branded" a lemon in say NY and it doesn't show on the title - an Ohio office looking at the NY title for the purposes of reissuing might not realize it's a lemon and issue a clean title. .

 

I've seen dumb shit like this happen in front of my eyes at the Ohio DMV. That day it became evident to me that the dumb broads behind the counter can literally whatever they want on the title if you can sell them on it.

 

In similar ways I have had odd out of state transactions-and had one DMV say -we cant give you a title without xyz...- just to drive to another DMV and be handed a title.

[TheManInDboX]

Why does GM get special treatment? That's F'd up.

 

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I have no idea..

Really wish i recorded the calls i had with the lawyer and GM during the process of getting some of my money back.. I have all the 50+ pages of the service records, and the VIN of the Volt i owned.. i will see if i can upload them somehow.. So you can see the evidence.. including the Car fax from before, and after i had it.. It's crazy how they get away with this..

 

Though i learned a lot during the process..

1. GM pays it's techs for 45min of work per car, no matter if it is fixed or not.. they don't pay additional for taking your time and doing it right, and if the car can't be diagnosed within 15min of you bringing it into the dealership, the tech doesn't get paid at all..

2. Warranties mean absolute nothing.. since new cars have to generate a code, before anyone will listen to an issue.. found myself having to record the issues as i drove.. They attempted to "Jack Maxton" tell me that since there was no code, the worm gears in the steering linkage separation was normal..

3. I will never buy another car again that i can't work on myself..

 

Ultimately i learned you can't trust anyone, and you are better off f'ing things up in the process of learning to repair them, than you are ever bringing a car to a dealership, or service center.. (No offence to any of the mechanics on here.. i say mechanics, because mechanics actually fix cars, and tech's read codes)