zeitgeist57 Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) Give my former teammates some slack. Sam and Travis are excellent writers and drivers. Both skills that far outweigh youtube presence. I wish they were not reading from a script because when these two are shooting from the hip in a casual conversation, it is beyond hilarious. << Road&Track subscriber here...one of the few publications I pay for. I respect their media work. Apologies for the disrespect to Sam and Travis. Edited May 22, 2019 by zeitgeist57 No need for a Kerry-level of explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Also, looks like the Aisin 8-speed transmission is the one to get in the 2016+ CTS Vsport models...same trans in the LS460 and IS-F. That's heady company! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Scott tells me that they are seeing 50-75 whp gains with a tune and BPU type mods. TB exhaust, basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinman Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Did....did I just read a post from Tinman? :eek2: What year is it? Yep, my annual post. See y'all next year... << Road&Track subscriber here...one of the few publications I pay for. I respect their media work. Apologies for the disrespect to Sam and Travis. No apologies necessary. I'm sure they would both have laughed at your comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Maker Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Tapout Tuning is the name of his shop. No thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Sam was right in the video...if they slapped a Porsche badge on the Vsport, they wouldn't be able to make enough of them. That's as high praise as an auto journo can give of any 4-door car. . . . . . . Which is also why Cadillac's marketing sucks. If R&T does an article on the car - even in reference to used ones being a great value - wouldn't you put something on your website or ask to repost it in an ad when they give you praise?!? Also...LOL at the Vsport Premium being $71k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltboostin Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 . Which is also why Cadillac's marketing sucks. If R&T does an article on the car - even in reference to used ones being a great value - wouldn't you put something on your website or ask to repost it in an ad when they give you praise?!? : Right now, you can get a new V sport for 61k. V New for 87k. Used V sport for 20k and a V for 50k same year same miles. Maybe Caddy didn't want to advertise that your not getting much more than a motor and bumpers for the 40% price bump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Which one is lighter between the CTS V-Sport and the ATS-V? Is ATS-V available in 4-door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Which one is lighter between the CTS V-Sport and the ATS-V? Is ATS-V available in 4-door? ATS-V can be had in a 4 door, yes. The ATS is lighter by about a buck twenty, I believe (depending on options, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 ATS-V can be had in a 4 door, yes. The ATS is lighter by about a buck twenty, I believe (depending on options, of course). CTS V-sport curb weight: 3,992 lbs ATS-V Curb weight: 3,803 lbs 189 lb difference CTS is also almost a full foot longer and 2 " taller than the ATS-V. The ATS-V can be had with a manual and in coupe or sedan format. The CTS Vsport is an automatic only sedan. C&D tested both and saw a 12.9 for the CTS Vsport and a 12.2 for the ATS-V. The CTS V-sport put down a 8:14.10 at the Nürburgring which was much slower than the old CTS-V. It's unknown what the ATS-V does there but it was supposed to unseat the prev gen CTS-V's seven second times. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a5309/go-news-2014-cts-v-sport-nurburgring-lap/ If you want an BMW M3 made in america, buy an ATS-V. If you want a 540i that's made in america, buy a CTS VSport. That's how caddy wants people to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted May 27, 2019 Report Share Posted May 27, 2019 Boy, here’s a Head2Head that popped in my YT feed. Definitely was sleeping on this car! Seems to get great praise... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a9faBE_ceJY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l36tols1 Posted May 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2019 Boy, here’s a Head2Head that popped in my YT feed. Definitely was sleeping on this car! Seems to get great praise... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a9faBE_ceJY Prices out here in AZ are still pretty high for V-Sports they seem to be more rare than even the Chevy SS. I definitely plan on test driving one in the next month or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltboostin Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 Prices out here in AZ are still pretty high for V-Sports they seem to be more rare than even the Chevy SS. I definitely plan on test driving one in the next month or so. I see a few ever week up here. Production numbers have to be WAY higher than the SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKilbourne Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 I may have been around a 4 door ATS-V while getting tuned recently. It had exhaust, intake, some extra boost, and some good octane fuel. Made 550 wheel. I prefer the v8 sounds, but I bet that car would be fun to tool around in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeROC Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 I don't follow Caddy news, but saw these new reveals. No V8's? Will the V8's come later? https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2020-cadillac-ct4-v-ct5-v-debut/ https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/30/2020-cadillac-ct4-v-ct5-v-revealed/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 The problem I'm having with this rollout is it's really tough to see the difference between CT4 and CT5, except for tire size and license placement on the rear fascia. Are people going to come back to the sedan market so quickly from CUV's that Cadillac needed two small-midsize sedans? And, of course...no stick?!? I really do like the styling, but....no stick?!? CT4-V has a 2.7L truuuuuuuccckkk moooootooorrrrrrr . . . .:fuuuu: Also...where's the stick? :gabe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeROC Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 CT4-V has a 2.7L truuuuuuuccckkk moooootooorrrrrrr . . . . :fuuuu: Yeah, without the big motors, you might as well just save a ton of money and buy... well almost any other sedan, they are pretty much the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Yeah, without the big motors, you might as well just save a ton of money and buy... well almost any other sedan, they are pretty much the same. Agreed. I'm not saying that they aren't going to be good cars - this Vsport thread proves that Cadillac can make a great product. The problem is going to be that it takes more than some happy automotive journos to turn the new V-sedans into Audi/Merc/BMW killers...at the dealership. You've got driving enthusiasts in their 40s now that grew up tuning VAGs and BMWs as their performance cars of choice. The aftermarket can make the 2.0T fly in VW and Audi products; it's going to be tough to get a new performance sedan going in today's marketplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 https://jalopnik.com/the-two-disappointing-cadillac-v-series-cars-are-just-p-1835147699 Oh man...I smell Genesis G70/Kia Stinger blood in the water. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Owned a 2017 CTS V-sport and while it was a fun car to drive, this was the car that turned me off of GM's for life due to horrible service, shitty customer service, and completely unacceptable quality issues to the point that GM bought the car back under lemon law. For what it was, the car was quick, handled very well and was extremely comfortable. Being a 2017 it had the newer QUE which was far better than the previous generation of CUE. There is a lot of aftermarket for the ATS-V but that does not translate to the CTS V-sport. Only options were a trifecta tune and Corsa axleback. Limited production meant that companies did not want to touch making parts for the car and they concentrated on the ATS-V instead. People buying $72k V-Sports weren't modifying their cars. No intakes, no downpipes were available and the ATS-V parts didn't carry over since the attachment to the turbos were different and the exhaust was also different. If you want to modify it, you better know a good fabricator. Also, the general consensus was the factory intake flowed well enough that an aftermarket one was not necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Come on cadillac, get your shit together. The 2004 to 2014 should not be known as the Cadillac heyday, you made great cars during that time, and you have the potential to make great cars again if you can just get out of your own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace1647545504 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Come on cadillac, get your shit together. The 2004 to 2014 should not be known as the Cadillac heyday, you made great cars during that time, and you have the potential to make great cars again if you can just get out of your own way. I thought their heyday was 59-69..the 70s on onto 2004 sucked. 70s and 80 cars were under-powered and don't get me started on the cimmaron The 90s ushered in the northstar which when brand new were great but if the engine wasn't taken care of it overheated and crapped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 https://jalopnik.com/the-two-disappointing-cadillac-v-series-cars-are-just-p-1835147699 Oh man...I smell Genesis G70/Kia Stinger blood in the water. .. The G70 is my current obsession for a DD. It pretty much ticks all the boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 The G70 is my current obsession for a DD. It pretty much ticks all the boxes. They're supposedly giving massive discounts on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 They're supposedly giving massive discounts on them. I haven't asked the sales guys yet. But I'd be surprised, it's Motortrend's car of the year and it's priced well below it's competition already. Either way, I'm not in a spot to get one right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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