Kahooli Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I agree to a point, the system in place doesn't work.Flat tax. Everyone pay their fair share, everyone get equal benefits. I've read plenty on both ends but when we stop treating people differently based on their income, race, sex we will finally get back to "every man created equal" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Socialist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I agree there, my income shouldn't go to the government for anything, but I'd be ok paying for things I use at the end of the year... like roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Your road tax is paid for with fuel purchases. That's why the tax is almost .50¢/gallon. I'd rather see a "toll tax" for traveling than a fuel tax' date=' but that'd cause some serious traffic problems.[/quote']I could work with that, but if we put in tolls then only the most traveled roads would get the mone.... oh wait, I don't see a problem there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I don't see that from the right.You don't see some of the following characteristics from the current figureheads for the neocon party? Under the "Core Tenents" section of the wiki article you cited:"Fascists see the struggle of nation and race as fundamental in society' date=' in opposition to communism's perception of class struggle.""Italian fascists described expansionist imperialism as a necessity....Fascists oppose pacifism and believe that a nation must have a warrior mentality.""fascism tends to be anti-intellectual.""Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties on abortion in 1926, declaring them both crimes against the state.""Fascism tends to promote principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline; and rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism.""Italian Fascism involved corporatism, a political system in which economy is collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level."------------------------I'm not saying it's wholly neocon, because there's some dem platform stuff too. I'm just saying that when people call figureheads 'fascist's that they're usually right on some level just because the Fascism movement is full of seemingly contradictory platforms. Which, makes the whole name calling silly, but I digress. I just liked the Sinclair's quote."Religion is the opiate of the masses" ~Marx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahooli Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I could work with that, but if we put in tolls then only the most traveled roads would get the mone.... oh wait, I don't see a problem there.Oh but it's jsut so simple... continual GPS tracking. The system would know exactly how many miles you drove on each and every rode.Don't worry... big brother wont watch those logs...bahahahahahhaha were all gonna die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Oh but it's jsut so simple... continual GPS tracking. The system would know exactly how many miles you drove on each and every rode.Don't worry... big brother wont watch those logs...bahahahahahhaha were all gonna dieHeh, that's the usage based insurance model.... seems to work pretty well for some people.I work for Progressive but I do not speak for them and my opinion is my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Flat tax. Everyone pay their fair share, everyone get equal benefits. I've read plenty on both ends but when we stop treating people differently based on their income, race, sex we will finally get back to "every man created equal"This unfortunately may be the best option. Personally I'd like a system that is based on usage, but that system would be huge and costly in its self. In the end it's probably impractical. It also wouldn't provide for things you may not use directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Brian Griffin: You are really gonna sit there with a straight face and tell me a flat tax doesn't favor the wealthy. Stewie Griffin: Not one bit. And it saves millions of man hours that the complexity of the current tax code wastes, which you would realize if you weren't retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 When the righties stop acting like lefties and the lefties stop acting like commies... tap me on the ass and I'll stand up. This is why I like IP. He'll let you tap dat ass if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 This thread has taken too many turns since I last looked at it. Once again I blame Justin for fucking it all up, now it would take me a very long time to make all the comments I want to make. Fuck that shit I have work to do. I agree with Gixies premise but don't agree with any of his logic behind it. This conversation has expanded into other topics in the same way religion is enter twined with all aspects of life just as money and politics are. I am now unable to move on to the other topics because I haven't been able to change everyone else’s mind to match mine on the OP. This does not work for me you are all supposed to listen to me and bend to my will. Quit having original thoughts and moving things along at your own pace, it is getting very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Rep for you...oh..wait a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbuttwannabe Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'm not sure how these bigger churches are supplying the money for the building. We only have about 100 regular attendees in ours and we just renovated our sanctuary for the first time since 1970 something. It cost around 300,000. We did a special offering twice a month designating on the check it was to go toward building fund. We didn't start building untill we had all the money. We made no changes to regular giving. We also do have a food pantry that is open two days out of the month to give 3 meals a day for 7 days. We are feeding close to 300 people on that. We might not be like most churches that have a lot of paid staff. We only have one paid person, the pastor. There is churches around here that don't even pay the preacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siggywiggy Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 no, no , no...churches get their money from people (members) after they are taxed. So the government taxes the same dollar twice? look at it this way. Its more of a scam that the government is taxing the dollar twice than the church not getting taxed at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Yeah' date=' that's my bad. Sorry. [/quote']no, no , no...churches get their money from people (members) after they are taxed. So the government taxes the same dollar twice? look at it this way. Its more of a scam that the government is taxing the dollar twice than the church not getting taxed at all. I get taxed on my income (Fed, state, local S.D., Social INsecurity, etc...) then most of what I buy get's taxed. When I pay my rent, I'm sure my landlord pays taxes on the very same $$$ that I got taxed on. I don't know what a good solution is, but what we have in place now is obviously not working out. There are budget deficits on every level, across the country, and it's getting worse, not better! Where is the change? I'm still waiting..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-flores Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'm surprised you expected it in the first place.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Where is the change? I'm still waiting.....These run in FY cycles. We've still been operating under Bush's budget for most of Obama's term so far so you'll have to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Huh' date=' nobody ever agrees with me on that when I discuss Reganomics. [/quote']I"m not sure what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I"m not sure what you mean.This, but with money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggO Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 No' date=' they shouldn't be taxed because they don't produce taxable goods/services. You are upset about being taxed, as well you should be, but the taxes you are forced to pay are morally unjust. You shouldn't be forced to pay a tax on your labor, but making the church pay taxes so you can feel better is definitely not the right solution to this problem.[/quote']Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Hookers & Blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anden Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Yes. Anyone that can put out a pamphlet, lobby, and have an influence in goverment should be taxed. Religion is selling slalvation I just don't buy in. So they should be taxed. The charities that they support or should be a tax wright off for them. Most of the work is done with volounteers and donation. The land they sit on should be taxed. THe structures should be taxed and calll it an operating expence. Sorry about the spelling, grammar, and punctuation. working replied on the quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagicglock Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 yeah tax the fuck out of everything, it works great! Sincerely, California and New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-flores Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 yeah tax the fuck out of everything, it works great! Sincerely, California and New York:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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