Casper Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Why is it that when Apple refuses to support Flash, you are all up in arms... but when Microsoft announces IE9 will only support H.264 video, moving towards HTML5, there isn't a peep. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Because nobody uses IE anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Because nobody uses IE anymore? So what do you use? Firefox? Chrome? Both support HTML5 and are slowing dropping Flash support. What's left? Opera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 So what do you use?Safari 4.0.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyen Soljax Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy, but I use windows. I also use firefox. My only addition to this is that I know what flash is and what it does for me on the interwebs, and though I know that h.264 is some video format, I have no idea what that last part means for the everyday user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Safari 4.0.5You just made me spit coffee out my nose. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 You just made me spit coffee out my nose. Awesome. Are you making fun of me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrillo Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I don't care about flash. Its old, bulky and is only ever used for video delivery. There are better ways to do that now. I agree with Apple dropping flash, I don't agree with Job's BS "flash is a closed system" hype. Really?! CEO of APPLE saying that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I don't care about flash. Its old, bulky and is only ever used for video delivery. There are better ways to do that now. I agree with Apple dropping flash, I don't agree with Job's BS "flash is a closed system" hype. Really?! CEO of APPLE saying that? If you read it, he said they have a lot of proprietary hardware and applications, but that he believes all web protocols should be open. Hence, CSS, jquery, html5, webkit, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I don't care about flash. Its old, bulky and is only ever used for video delivery. There are better ways to do that now. I agree with Apple dropping flash, I don't agree with Job's BS "flash is a closed system" hype. Really?! CEO of APPLE saying that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Why is it that when Apple refuses to support Flash, you are all up in arms... but when Microsoft announces IE9 will only support H.264 video, moving towards HTML5, there isn't a peep. You got a link to me being all up in arms about Apple not supporting Flash there Mr. Strawman. I couldn't care less what Apple does or doesn't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 as long as porn still works I dont give a crap what it uses to run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I block all ads, flash, scripts, crap, and anything new anyone comes up with that annoys me with funky ads and other items that waste time and resources. And I mean gone. Run on demand only.so I don't care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 You got a link to me being all up in arms about Apple not supporting Flash there Mr. Strawman. I couldn't care less what Apple does or doesn't do.Thus, you're not an "MS Fanboy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snodgrass23 Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 (edited) The biggest difference with Flash and Apple is that their devices only use their Safari browser so there is no option. If you don't like what IE9 uses for something, use a different browser. No big deal.I am a web developer where I work and I've used flash in many instances where it worked well. I use javascript and similar open formats when they are the best tool for the job which they are in a lot of cases, but they aren't always. Then I'm also limited by the javascript engine in the different browsers especially in IE where it's really slow. Flash is still one of the best ways to do interactive graphics in the browser and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Video delivery is the least of my issues with not supporting flash, those sites will move to whatever is supported. But for the actual web applications that can't be moved to something like HTML5, and even if they could would require a huge rewrite, I don't like the restriction placed on me. Too many people arguing against Flash in this debate only use the internet for surfing sites like this and a few other basic things. They don't really grasp the amount of content that is in Flash and that it isn't always the huge eyesore that it used to be.Again, it's not the lack of support for flash, it's the restriction that I can't do anything about it that I don't like. As a developer, I don't like forced formats instead of just using what's best for the job. Big companies making decisions like this force people like me to do things "their way" to keep up.EDIT: Also, is there such a thing as an MS fanboy (not counting those that work there)? Edited April 30, 2010 by snodgrass23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 The biggest difference with Flash and Apple is that their devices only use their Safari browser so there is no option.Wrong, I'm running Safari and Firefox and could be using Google Chrome. You're not limited to just Safari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snodgrass23 Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 (edited) Wrong, I'm running Safari and Firefox and could be using Google Chrome. You're not limited to just Safari.The discussion that started this, though, is the other devices, namely the iPhone and iPad. I'm not talking about the full machines or laptops.They've also locked out 3rd party applications to build iPhone/iPad applications. You now have to use their dev tools if you want to make something (assuming you're not jailbreaking, obviously). Edited April 30, 2010 by snodgrass23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 If you read it, he said they have a lot of proprietary hardware and applications, but that he believes all web protocols should be open. Hence, CSS, jquery, html5, webkit, etc.I read it this way:Jobs: We're a closed system using open standards. Adobe: Were an open system using closed standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 The discussion that started this, though, is the other devices, namely the iPhone and iPad. I'm not talking about the full machines or laptops.I'm using Opera on my iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphy Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I have yet to bitch about no Flash on my iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I'm using Opera on my iPhone.Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 He might not be' date=' but I am. LoLoL...[/quote']See if I win that jacket and sell it to you now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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