Guy takes on TSA, gets arrested, gets acquitted just as fast

[alienpi]

by that definition every government, including ours, is guilty of terrorism.

It's been shown that Osama is funded by our government. One of the ways for our government to get power is by offering safety from these terrorists that they created to run these false flag attacks, that enable them to push their police state agenda.

[FZRMatt]

It's been shown that Osama is funded by our government. One of the ways for our government to get power is by offering safety from these terrorists that they created to run these false flag attacks, that enable them to push their police state agenda.

If you think that we won't be attacked in our own country again, you are fooling yourselves!

[FZRMatt]

If you think the TSA will prevent this you are fooling yourself.

Again, I'm not saying it is the answer. But, I would say it is a deterrent. I just saw a picture of a sign on the home page saying something to the effect of: bad guys, if you have the intention of robbing us, know that employees and or patrons may be armed. This is the same thing. That sign doesn't do a thing to actively prevent bad guys from robbing the place. However, it does make them think "holy shit, I may get caught or dead if I try this."

[FZRMatt]

This whole thread goes back to one thing, and that is yes, you should have to show ID to get onto a plane. The whole issue was that a man refused to show the TSA his ID. The security check point is the ONLY place that you show your ID when you get on a plane. You can print your boarding passes online, no ID required. You go to security and show your ID and boarding pass to show that the same person on the boarding pass is the person trying to get on the plane. You then proceed to your terminal where you board the plane by showing only your boarding pass and no ID.

So, your photo ID is the only way they have of proving you are who you say you are (and yes, I get that they can be faked). I guess if you don't like that, we can always implant a chip in each and every child at birth. That way, there will be no question who is getting on.

[jporter12]

Again, I'm not saying it is the answer. But, I would say it is a deterrent. I just saw a picture of a sign on the home page saying something to the effect of: bad guys, if you have the intention of robbing us, know that employees and or patrons may be armed. This is the same thing. That sign doesn't do a thing to actively prevent bad guys from robbing the place. However, it does make them think "holy shit, I may get caught or dead if I try this."

Personally, I compare the TSA to the security company signs in the front yard, when people don't even have a security system. It might deter the rookie thief (terrorist on a plane) but the hardened criminalt finds it to be juts another potential challenge to work around. Max Power (who sells and installs home security systems) said it best, that the security system is for when you're NOT at home, and the firearm is for when you are at home. Can the TSA, and put that money toward the training of more air marshals.

This whole thread goes back to one thing, and that is yes, you should have to show ID to get onto a plane. The whole issue was that a man refused to show the TSA his ID. The security check point is the ONLY place that you show your ID when you get on a plane. You can print your boarding passes online, no ID required. You go to security and show your ID and boarding pass to show that the same person on the boarding pass is the person trying to get on the plane. You then proceed to your terminal where you board the plane by showing only your boarding pass and no ID.

So, your photo ID is the only way they have of proving you are who you say you are (and yes, I get that they can be faked). I guess if you don't like that, we can always implant a chip in each and every child at birth. That way, there will be no question who is getting on.

Who is it that cares who is getting on the plane? The TSA, or the airline? Should it matter either way, since the ID and name can be faked anyway. Do you think that someone with nefarious intentions will be showing their OWN ID, and booking the flight in their OWN name?

[chevysoldier]

This whole thread goes back to one thing, and that is yes, you should have to show ID to get onto a plane. The whole issue was that a man refused to show the TSA his ID. The security check point is the ONLY place that you show your ID when you get on a plane. You can print your boarding passes online, no ID required. You go to security and show your ID and boarding pass to show that the same person on the boarding pass is the person trying to get on the plane. You then proceed to your terminal where you board the plane by showing only your boarding pass and no ID.

So, your photo ID is the only way they have of proving you are who you say you are (and yes, I get that they can be faked). I guess if you don't like that, we can always implant a chip in each and every child at birth. That way, there will be no question who is getting on.

Was the guy attempting to go through the checkpoint without showing identification? No, he was only standing near the checkpoint. Why should he have had to show ID?

Edit: I don't recall him trying to get through but I'm not going back to look at the video right now.

[jporter12]

Was the guy attempting to go through the checkpoint without showing identification? No, he was only standing near the checkpoint. Why should he have had to show ID?

Edit: I don't recall him trying to get through but I'm not going back to look at the video right now.

Lazy.

[chevysoldier]

Lazy.

Yes.

[Steve Butters]

yeah, let's give him five years in the slammer for bad attitude.

I'm not referring to the guy with the video camera - i also agree he did nothing wrong, and should not have been arrested

so glad you know how to read

idiot.

[jporter12]

so glad you know how to read

idiot.

I thought you were done here?

There have been some good points brought up here. I wish the TSA, Homeland Security, could put some serious discussion into it, instead of the knee-jerk reactions, and feeding the contractors that provide the equipment.

[FZRMatt]

Chevy, this is a reply to your message. For some reason I'm not able to quote all messages. I was under the impression that he was attempting to get through security without showing ID.

[alienpi]

If you think that we won't be attacked in our own country again, you are fooling yourselves!

i'm not saying I don't think we need security, i'm just commenting on the evidence that shows our government is complicit in attacks such as 9/11 (see 911 truthers) and the underwear bomber.

in the underwear bomber's case the patsy was escorted past security. In the case of 911, where is all the explosive residue coming from that all the engineers are identifying as unmistakeably residue from a demolition.

It seems as though the government never wastes a crisis, and when it needs one it'll make it happen.

[John]

here is how "effective" TSA is.

the guy who wrote this article

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/the-things-he-carried/7057/

took ALL THIS STUFF through security in different airports.

i especially liked the part about the hezbollah flag... but really, when we hire hillbillies to secure our airports, you cant expect them to know everything right?

airport security is a joke, and the no fly list does not work.

Edited January 30, 2011 by John

[Cheech]

This whole thread goes back to one thing, and that is yes, you should have to show ID to get onto a plane. The whole issue was that a man refused to show the TSA his ID. The security check point is the ONLY place that you show your ID when you get on a plane. You can print your boarding passes online, no ID required. You go to security and show your ID and boarding pass to show that the same person on the boarding pass is the person trying to get on the plane. You then proceed to your terminal where you board the plane by showing only your boarding pass and no ID.

So, your photo ID is the only way they have of proving you are who you say you are (and yes, I get that they can be faked). I guess if you don't like that, we can always implant a chip in each and every child at birth. That way, there will be no question who is getting on.

I'm just going to stop you right here. For someone who put up as his airport security protocol knowledge that you fly "at least once a year with family", you know fuck-all about the current security system.

You can either print out your boarding passes online or get them at the gate. Once you're in the airport, you still need to check-in with the gate agent so she can print off your checked luggage tags and, oh yeah, CHECK YOUR ID. This ID check is to make sure you match the name on the boarding pass, which has already been checked with the no-fly lists and has cleared you for flight. If you were going to be flagged in the system, you would have done so already. Right before you get to the TSA checkpoint, you show your ID to the TSA guy.

The only thing the TSA person does when you show them your ID is duplicate the same thing the gate agent did except the TSA guy has no access to the no-fly, no access to any information that may be useful to screeners to handle you if you have special needs that have been previously documented (like implants that mean you can't go through the scanner), none of that. He stares at your ID for 30 seconds to make it look like he's giving it a CSI examination, lays down some chicken scratch scrawl on your boarding pass, and waves you through.

This is a COMPLETE waste of time, and I'm willing to bet was the entire crux of this man's argument. I'm not willing to say that showing ID isn't necessary for flights, but I'm damn well willing to say showing your ID to the TSA guy is.

Edited January 30, 2011 by Cheech

[fusion]

I'm just going to stop you right here. For someone who put up as his airport security protocol knowledge that you fly "at least once a year with family", you know fuck-all about the current security system.

You can either print out your boarding passes online or get them at the gate. Once you're in the airport, you still need to check-in with the gate agent so she can print off your checked luggage tags and, oh yeah, CHECK YOUR ID. This ID check is to make sure you match the name on the boarding pass, which has already been checked with the no-fly lists and has cleared you for flight. If you were going to be flagged in the system, you would have done so already. Right before you get to the TSA checkpoint, you show your ID to the TSA guy.

The only thing the TSA person does when you show them your ID is duplicate the same thing the gate agent did except the TSA guy has no access to the no-fly, no access to any information that may be useful to screeners to handle you if you have special needs that have been previously documented (like implants that mean you can't go through the scanner), none of that. He stares at your ID for 30 seconds to make it look like he's giving it a CSI examination, lays down some chicken scratch scrawl on your boarding pass, and waves you through.

This is a COMPLETE waste of time, and I'm willing to bet was the entire crux of this man's argument. I'm not willing to say that showing ID isn't necessary for flights, but I'm damn well willing to say showing your ID to the TSA guy is.

Yeah that TSA resource in that part of the line is completely worthless. I've never understood the point. They don't scan your boarding pass or anything. It wouldn't take any effort at all for someone to forge a boarding pass to get through security.

[chevysoldier]

Yeah that TSA resource in that part of the line is completely worthless. I've never understood the point. They don't scan your boarding pass or anything. It wouldn't take any effort at all for someone to forge a boarding pass to get through security.

It's really hard, you gotta forge the little squiggly they make on it.

[FZRMatt]

I'm just going to stop you right here. For someone who put up as his airport security protocol knowledge that you fly "at least once a year with family", you know fuck-all about the current security system.

You can either print out your boarding passes online or get them at the gate. Once you're in the airport, you still need to check-in with the gate agent so she can print off your checked luggage tags and, oh yeah, CHECK YOUR ID. This ID check is to make sure you match the name on the boarding pass, which has already been checked with the no-fly lists and has cleared you for flight. If you were going to be flagged in the system, you would have done so already. Right before you get to the TSA checkpoint, you show your ID to the TSA guy.

The only thing the TSA person does when you show them your ID is duplicate the same thing the gate agent did except the TSA guy has no access to the no-fly, no access to any information that may be useful to screeners to handle you if you have special needs that have been previously documented (like implants that mean you can't go through the scanner), none of that. He stares at your ID for 30 seconds to make it look like he's giving it a CSI examination, lays down some chicken scratch scrawl on your boarding pass, and waves you through.

This is a COMPLETE waste of time, and I'm willing to bet was the entire crux of this man's argument. I'm not willing to say that showing ID isn't necessary for flights, but I'm damn well willing to say showing your ID to the TSA guy is.

Since 9/11, the only place that I have ever had to show ID is security. Prior to 9/11 I always made it a habbit to try and get on a plane without showing ID (made it every time in Detroit and Atlanta most times). Now, once through security we have only had to show our boarding passes at the gate, with no ID (because you are already in a secure area and have been checked). Also, before I became an officer, I was in sales and flew more than I ever care to again. As far as checked bags, we check nothing! A family of 5 flying is expensive enough and we are not adding to the cost by checking bags when one suitcase each meets the size requirements and will hold clothes for the trip.

[John]

Yeah that TSA resource in that part of the line is completely worthless. I've never understood the point. They don't scan your boarding pass or anything. It wouldn't take any effort at all for someone to forge a boarding pass to get through security.

check out that article i posted above. that's exactly what he does.

[FZRMatt]

check out that article i posted above. that's exactly what he does.

I will, thanks. Part of me really likes to read about this type of stuff. However, another part of my gets pissed that people print this stuff. The reason being, law abiding citizens read this type of thing and say "look how screwed up this system is". But the turds read this and say "look at how we can exploit their security". I get that there will not be a fix until it is exposed, but unit it is fixed, we (as a people) are exposed which puts innocent people potentially in peril.

[fusion]

I will, thanks. Part of me really likes to read about this type of stuff. However, another part of my gets pissed that people print this stuff. The reason being, law abiding citizens read this type of thing and say "look how screwed up this system is". But the turds read this and say "look at how we can exploit their security". I get that there will not be a fix until it is exposed, but unit it is fixed, we (as a people) are exposed which puts innocent people potentially in peril.

They already know how to exploit the system. Only a complete idiot couldn't figure this stuff out.

[alienpi]

here is how "effective" TSA is.

the guy who wrote this article

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/the-things-he-carried/7057/

took ALL THIS STUFF through security in different airports.

i especially liked the part about the hezbollah flag... but really, when we hire hillbillies to secure our airports, you cant expect them to know everything right?

airport security is a joke, and the no fly list does not work.