kawi kid Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Good luck hunting deer with a 22LR. I'm not envisaging the end-of-the-world situation. I'm more worried about a Katrina-style thing where we just need to look after ourselves without the police for a few weeks.Good luck hunting deer with anything in a situation like we are discussing. Deer were hunted to near extinction not to awful long ago and if you don't think that will not happen again you are crazy. Every Elmer fudd in every city will be packing up his Prius to head out to the country to bag him some dinner. Good luck. I have no desire to even want to drive near public hunting land during deer season and ill be damned if I would chance going out there if I knew that all the laws were thrown out the window. Btw trespassing wont be looked to kindly upon so don't let me find you any where near me ... Your best bet of definate food would be getting your hands dirty and growing some. Anymore its a lost skill amongst the younger generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 SocomII. Fuk your lil trendy blackout round. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/16357-55.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 well if you all were wanted that Wasr AK that Dale had its gone.. well will be i put a deposit on it and will be picking it up this weekend after payday woo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiggy74 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Good luck hunting deer with a 22LR. I'm not envisaging the end-of-the-world situation. I'm more worried about a Katrina-style thing where we just need to look after ourselves without the police for a few weeks.Good luck trying to survive on nothing but deer. Something tells me that when the SHTF you're going to be glad to have any meat at all, and its more than likely going to be rodents, squirrels, and rabbits, much like settlers and native Americans did. Good luck collecting the meat from the squirrel that you've just obliterated with a 5.56 or 7.62 round. Katrina is probably the most "realistic" SHTF situation, and it was even pretty hard to imagine that in a "modern" society that a Katrina situation could occur. That being said, lot's of people been killed by .22LR. Cheap to buy in BULK, easy to store, lasts forever, and most the pistols/rifles that shoot it are damn simple in function and to operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiggy74 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 SocomII. Fuk your lil trendy blackout round. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/16357-55.htmlSage EBR stocks give me a chubby, but this how its done properly.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I just messed my pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Sage EBR stocks give me a chubby, but this how its done properly....SWFA Super Sniper scope, EBR, and Atlas Bipod. Good build there!Atlas Bipods are Awesome FYI!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 If you are really worried about SHTF stock up on food with a long shelf life, maybe some MREs, and LOTS of bottled water.Former USMC here...I have a REALLY hard time envisioning ANY scenario where a large cache of ammo will prove useful. If it makes you sleep better, then good for you. There are lots of Soldiers, Marines, and Police that have fired less than 100 bullets in anger over their entire career. And they deal with way more shit than you ever will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiggy74 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 SWFA Super Sniper scope, EBR, and Atlas Bipod. Good build there!Atlas Bipods are Awesome FYI!!!Lol, sorry to imply this was mine. While I do have an M1A, my better consciensce prevents me from gutting it to install into an EBR stock. Maybe someday when I can afford another I'll go this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Good luck trying to survive on nothing but deer. Something tells me that when the SHTF you're going to be glad to have any meat at all, and its more than likely going to be rodents, squirrels, and rabbits, much like settlers and native Americans did. Good luck collecting the meat from the squirrel that you've just obliterated with a 5.56 or 7.62 round. Katrina is probably the most "realistic" SHTF situation, and it was even pretty hard to imagine that in a "modern" society that a Katrina situation could occur. That being said, lot's of people been killed by .22LR. Cheap to buy in BULK, easy to store, lasts forever, and most the pistols/rifles that shoot it are damn simple in function and to operate.I like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8mmDale Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 nevermindEditing again because I will give my honest opinionmy main goals are SHTF - occasional coyote blasting - and target shooting 100-200yds Do you want to hit what you are aiming at? Expect around 3-5"+ groups with the AK at 100 depending on how good a shooter you are. Probably closer to 7" at 200i like the accuracy and range of the ar - but i like the punch of the ak Even at 500 yards, Punch wont matter if you hit what your aiming at (i.e Vitals) You said 100-200 yardsar10 would be ideal, but its out of my budgetGets Expensive fast when doing semi auto on .308. Bolt guns would be my choice in .308im leaning towards an AK - what would be a good one? i want a synthetic one if i get oneDont know much about different model/brands of AK'si see a ton of ARs on armslist in my budget - but i know nothing about them, they seem ridiculously complicatedThey are only complicated until you get 1 and strip it the first time then they are no different than any other firearm.I think these answers are right on the money. I can only add that the .300 blackout is a specialized caliber for short range & suppressed applications. If you don't have a suppressor and dont have plans to get one, your just throwing your money away on a niche caliber. The 6.8 SPC is a superior round, cost about the same or slightly less and be alot more versatile (even at long range). The blackout shooter needs to be an accomplished reloader with the capacity and patience to load ALOT, especially if you train with your rifle.If you want to become a SHTF type person, buy an AK74 and start buying up all the 5.45x39 surplus while its still cheap. Don't buy thousands of dollars worth of add on crap like EOtechs and fancy flash lights. By alot of rounds, magazines and train with the rifle!My 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Good luck trying to survive on nothing but deer. Something tells me that when the SHTF you're going to be glad to have any meat at all, and its more than likely going to be rodents, squirrels, and rabbits, much like settlers and native Americans did. Good luck collecting the meat from the squirrel that you've just obliterated with a 5.56 or 7.62 round. Katrina is probably the most "realistic" SHTF situation, and it was even pretty hard to imagine that in a "modern" society that a Katrina situation could occur. That being said, lot's of people been killed by .22LR. Cheap to buy in BULK, easy to store, lasts forever, and most the pistols/rifles that shoot it are damn simple in function and to operate.I have both 5.56 and .22LR Or I can trade you a deer for 50 squirrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I still like my Marlin 22 WMR, and I can still shoot all the wood rodents and maybe even drop a deer. Zombies........also gonna die!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 That's what they make 17hmr for. Small to mid size game. Would also do some damage to a person / deer. And rounds are cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiggy74 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I have both 5.56 and .22LR Or I can trade you a deer for 50 squirrels. Now you're talking like a survivalist! Don't get me wrong, I'm sitting on a few thousand rounds each of 5.56, 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 12ga, 9mm, 45 acp, 22LR, etc. Every time a new zombie movie comes out I run to Walmart to buy cheap ammo. Looks like I'll be making another trip today now that I've learned of the scourge of coyotes that's just waiting to be unleashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 That's what they make 17hmr for. Small to mid size game. Would also do some damage to a person / deer. And rounds are cheap.Yup......22WMR is still cheaper though, although the 17HMR is a badass round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 That's what they make 17hmr for. Small to mid size game. Would also do some damage to a person / deer. And rounds are cheap.doesnt it cost about the same as 556? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 my 17 rounds cost about half of my AR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 doesnt it cost about the same as 556?Parks I can get 50 rnds of 17 grain frag rounds for $8.99 from Fin. These rounds do some major damage. Think grape fruit exploding at 100 yrds. Or apples turning into mist at 200 yrds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obesityrules Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I think these answers are right on the money. I can only add that the .300 blackout is a specialized caliber for short range & suppressed applications. If you don't have a suppressor and dont have plans to get one, your just throwing your money away on a niche caliber. The 6.8 SPC is a superior round, cost about the same or slightly less and be alot more versatile (even at long range). The blackout shooter needs to be an accomplished reloader with the capacity and patience to load ALOT, especially if you train with your rifle.If you want to become a SHTF type person, buy an AK74 and start buying up all the 5.45x39 surplus while its still cheap. Don't buy thousands of dollars worth of add on crap like EOtechs and fancy flash lights. By alot of rounds, magazines and train with the rifle!My 2 cents.I see the 300aac having advantages that you can use the stock 556 bolt and magazines, all you need to get it up and running is a barrel. So the up front cost would not be as much if you already own an ar15 in 556 (mrp would take about 1min to do the conversion). Remington and cmmg have ammo available in both super and subsonic rounds. If you do not already own an ar in 556, I agree the 6.8 is a superior round and you will be buying ammo specific magazines, bolts, and a barrel.off the shelf ammo is not cheap for either round so you would most likely reload if you do any volume of shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motozachl Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 when shtf bullets will fill the sky like rain. damn guys ya'll stock up on so much ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Then we will fight in the dark.*line from the movie 300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 What is all this doomsday ammo for? Zombies? Terrorists? Alien Invasion? Survival Hunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Depends on who you talk to apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 9/11 is the biggest terrorist event I can recall. I don't recall any civilian ammo improving the situation. So are we talking about a terrorist event bigger than 9/11 with some sort of local impact to the food and/or water supply? Then there is the whole issue that terrorists typically don't provide a target to shoot. Pearl Harbor was based on a large force staging a sneak attack and that only could happen in those days because radar was a relatively new technology. It couldn't happen today.If survival hunting became necessary, any creature worth hunting would be extinct in less than a month.What is your doomsday scenario? I'd like to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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