ross Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 http://news.yahoo.com/documents-shed-light-trayvon-martin-killing-235341368.htmlThe autopsy says the fatal shot was fired from no more than 18 inches away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 "......Martin's blood contained THC, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, according to autopsy results released Thursday. The autopsy was conducted February 27, the day after the teenager was shot dead.Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There also was a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine, according to the medical examiner's report. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.No precise levels on the urine were released.Dr. Michael Policastro, a toxicologist, cautioned against reading too much into the blood THC levels, adding that one cannot make a direct correlation between those findings and a level of intoxication.He also noted levels of THC, which can linger in a person's system for days, can spike after death in certain areas of the body because of redistribution.And Dr. Drew Pinsky, an addiction specialist who hosts a show on CNN's sister network HLN, added that marijuana typically does not make users more aggressive.Concentrations of THC routinely rise to 100 to 200 ng/ml after marijuana use, though it typically falls to below 5 ng/ml within three hours of it being smoked, according to information on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's website.While some states have zero-tolerance policies for any drug traces for driving while impaired, others set certain benchmarks, the website of California's Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs notes. In Nevada, that equates to 2 ng/ml for THC and 5 ng/ml for THC-COOH, also known as marijuana metabolite. The cutoff level in Ohio is 2 ng/ml for THC and 50 ng/ml for THC-COOH.According to the medical examiner's report, which was one of several documents on the case released Thursday by the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey, Martin died from a gunshot wounded to chest fired from "intermediate range," within 36 inches."...http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html While I don't think this had much to do with the end result it does show that at least, finally, some of the 'facts' of the incident are being brought forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 That was my thought. 3' isn't much distance half an arms length.wait.. what? how long are your freaking arms!?!? mine are 22 to the arm pit (making a fist) 23 from the tip of my middle fingerthat's a solid "foot" of distance,(empty space) even from outstretched arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 wait.. what? how long are your freaking arms!?!? mine are 22 to the arm pit (making a fist) 23 from the tip of my middle fingerthat's a solid "foot" of distance,(empty space) even from outstretched arms.What is your point? Isn't 20 feet or less required for shooting in an imminent danger situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 What is your point? Isn't 20 feet or less required for shooting in an imminent danger situation?21 feet is considered the distance at which a man who has a knife in his hand should be drawn on - as he can close the distance and stab you before you can draw and fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 21 feet is considered the distance at which a man who has a knife in his hand should be drawn on - as he can close the distance and stab you before you can draw and fire.and what about a man armed with skittles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 and what about a man armed with skittles?Dont forget 2 fist, knees, and feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 That was my thought. 3' isn't much distance half an arms length.I'm still curious how the gun didn't eject the fired round. Was it a malfunction? Was there a struggle for thr gun? If so how did that go down? I'm still reserving judgement, there are still some facts we are missing.I read the full police report. The spent round WAS ejected and was found using a metal detector. The pistol has a 7+1 capacity and the evidence inventory accounts for every round as 1 spent cartridge, 6 live rounds in the magazine and 1 loose live round that was in the chamber at the time the pistol was secured and made safe by SPD.How long are your arms? I'm 6'2" and my arms outstreched sideways are about that same distance fingertip to fingertip. That means 3' is about from my fingertip to the my sternum if my arm is stretched out sideways. Certainly not "half an arm's length".One of the witnesses stated (in the police report) that Martin had Zimmerman "mounted MMA style". That would give you about 2' distance diagonally sternum-to-sternum.I didn't read the full autopsy yet - but I would expect a shot fired from the the person on the floor that strikes the chest of the person above would be travelling in an upwards trajectory front to back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 What is your point? Isn't 20 feet or less required for shooting in an imminent danger situation?I have no idea what the law states. Just seems kinda far to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 it happened within 36"....why we discussing 20 or 21 feet? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) wait.. what? how long are your freaking arms!?!? mine are 22 to the arm pit (making a fist) 23 from the tip of my middle fingerthat's a solid "foot" of distance,(empty space) even from outstretched arms.it says "within 36 inches", not "exactly 36 inches".Who came up with 36"? Is that what the autopsy said? OR did the autopsy say "intermediate range" and a reporter looked up that "intermediate range is anything from 6" to 36" and just said "within 36"?36" would be inconsistent with shooting someone who has you in the mount position. I would expect between 6" and 18" Edited May 18, 2012 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) That was my thought. 3' isn't much distance half an arms length.I'm still curious how the gun didn't eject the fired round. Was it a malfunction? Was there a struggle for thr gun? If so how did that go down? I'm still reserving judgement, there are still some facts we are missing.If Martin reached for the gun and managed to grab the slide its not a stretch of the imagination to day thatcould have malfunctioned the gun. It also still put the shot in the intermediate range they keep talking about. Most self defense shootings have some element of the magic 3's. 3 feet, 3 shots, 3 seconds. If you are defending yourself its unlike you are taking a long shot so I don't understand why the sensationalism of this intermediate range?*edit scruit corrected that the round was ejected.... Edited May 18, 2012 by kawi kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Armpit to fingertip is approx 30" I dont have tape measure I used a 32" door as a guide. I read in one of the articles the round wasn't ejected. Also what kind of ammo was he using. Brass isn't picked up by a metal detector is it. I guess my point was half of a man's reach gets you a good way to 36" or less. If we are talking 18" its very easy to reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 and what about a man armed with skittles?Come over to our dojo and roll with some of our jujitsu guys. Any one of them can easily overpower and choke you in seconds, and a choke that is held for can obviously kill. I hope you don't think that an unarmed person can't kill someone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Armpit to fingertip is approx 30" I dont have tape measure I used a 32" door as a guide. That would make you 7 and a half feet tall, dude. I'm 6'2 and my arms are 24" armpit to fingertip.I read in one of the articles the round wasn't ejected. Also what kind of ammo was he using. Brass isn't picked up by a metal detector is it. Brass isn't picked up by metal detectors? Erm, of course it is. Are you confusing metal detectors with magnets? http://whiteselectronics.com/info/faqs.html#3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 36" would be inconsistent with shooting someone who has you in the mount position. I would expect between 6" and 18"my point...6"sure18" would be really pushing it, there is barely room for the barrel if you held the gun directly against your chest to fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 now im even more confused...why are we talking about metal detectors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 That would make you 7 and a half feet tall, dude. I'm 6'2 and my arms are 24" armpit to fingertip.im 6'0 and just measured armpit to finger tip at 27.5"maybe you have t-rex arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) im 6'0 and just measured armpit to finger tip at 27.5"maybe you have t-rex armsI'm 5'10 or 5'11 depending who is measuring and have big hands. I don't have a tape measure. I used a door to measure not exactly accurate.Never used a metal detector so I'm no expert. I do realize now I had a brain fartand know metal detector don't only detect magnetic metals. I just woke up. Edited May 18, 2012 by crb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) I'm 5'10 or 5'11 depending who is measuring and have big hands. I don't have a tape measure. I used a door to measure not exactly accurate.you could have long arms or short arms etc....i was just commenting on scruit saying that his arm:height proportion means anyone with 30" is 7.5ft tall...my arms are longer than his by 3.5" and im 2" shorter than him...if i was 6'2 or 6'3, with my proportions, 30" wouldnt be out of the question at all...nowhere near 7.5ft Edited May 18, 2012 by Steve Butters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 when you fags gonna start measuring other things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 inb4MTofferstoswordfightwithus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 now im even more confused...why are we talking about metal detectors?Someone earlier asked why the round hadn't been ejected. I pointed out that the police report states the round *had* been ejected and was found using a metal detector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 im 6'0 and just measured armpit to finger tip at 27.5"maybe you have t-rex armsWow. Scratch that. The 2' wall panel tha I measured by arm against turns out to not be 2'. I just measured again (using an 8.5"x11" sheet of letter-sized paper) and got 30". Meh, what difference does 6" make? :ky:Still, we can all agree that 36" is not "Half an arm's length" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 when you fags gonna start measuring other things?You first. I think I have a micrometer you can borrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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