Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 so in this country you can just kill whoever you want, then claim self defense...what a fucking trip.:drink:You can claim what you want. If it can be proven otherwise then the claim will fail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'd probably call the police before intervening myself unless someones life was in dangerhey look, thats the difference maker in this case....instead of an unarmed dead kid, you'd have a police officer there... how about doing the right thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 More cliff notes , exarch spells like he is in the forth grade. He also spent six years in the military. If you want anybody to take you seriously please take your self seriously and hit the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 You can claim what you want. If it can be proven otherwise then the claim will fail.no no, you have to prove that I didn't fear for my life... you have to read my mind... the other person is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 If I'm visiting family in your neighborhood, and decide to walk to the store for some candy and you confront me, and start hassling me with your gun, Basis for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 My phone was acting up and I had to send the message without finishing my post Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Yes you keep saying that, self defense, self defense, self defense... if the glove don't fit, you must acquit...assuming you're 100% correct, and Martin came at zimmerman in a full rage with a bag of skittles... Why would he do that? was he provoked?Doesn't matter. Nothing legally justifies assaulting someone...certainly not following or questioning them. Once you get physical, you're the aggressor and you're the criminal.Where is his due process? Where is his innocent until proven guilty? Where is his trial?He waived all that when he attacked Zimmerman, who at that point was walking AWAY and back to meet the cop. His innocence would be in no doubt if he had not made it physical. He did this to himself.if defending yourself from an unarmed attacker half your size (that you provoked in the first place) includes plugging them in the chest with your sidearm, you've got bigger issues.Trayvon was not a little boy, and you pre-suppose that Zimmerman provoked him. Also, we don't know how that attack went down. Hit wrong, someone large can be overtaken by someone smaller....but as I said Trayvon was a tall athlete...Zimmerman not so much. Once Zimmerman got hit, and it became assault he is under no legal obligation to lay there and take it or restrict himself to fisticuffs. Fists have killed people, even a single punch. His injuries are consistent with his testimony, and a few more slams to the ground might have killed him. He was right, and prudent, to make the fight stop...and he did just that. This isn't the schoolyard, and it's not on a victim to let the beating continue to see how severe it might, or might not be. The attacker took his chances, and lost.that's assuming that zimmerman is as innocent as he claims, that's a "best case scenaio"Witness and evidence obviously support Zimmerman, or he'd be in front of a grand jury. And that IS the scenario...like it or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Yes you keep saying that, self defense, self defense, self defense... if the glove don't fit, you must acquit...assuming you're 100% correct, and Martin came at zimmerman in a full rage with a bag of skittles... Why would he do that? was he provoked?Where is his due process? Where is his innocent until proven guilty? Where is his trial?if defending yourself from an unarmed attacker half your size (that you provoked in the first place) includes plugging them in the chest with your sidearm, you've got bigger issues.that's assuming that zimmerman is as innocent as he claims, that's a "best case scenaio"He provoked him? Where is your proof? Innocent until proven guilty is only in the court of law. Assuming Zimmerman's story is accurate if a 17 yr old is smashing my head in the asphalt and beating the shit out of me I don't know what I would do. I would have to be in the situation. The fired round didn't eject. Did trayvone have his hand on the gun? Maybe George was attacked from behind and trayvone put his hand on his gun? Touch my firearm I consider that a threat to my life. Did trayvone grab his gun or put his hand on the gun during the fight on the ground? I don't know I wasn't there. Is it possible? Who knows? I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 EVERYDAY! !!We don't have all the facts that's the prosecutor and police's job!I'm unwilling to say he is innocent or guilty until all the facts are presented! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Because hes Asian, get your stereotypes rightI like how he said "Tiny Asian Cock". Kind of a redundant statement really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 What the hell is Murder 2? second degree murder, no premeditation, he didn't plan to kill this kid, he just did."Generally, second degree murder is common law murder, and first degree is an aggravated form. The aggravating factors of first degree murder are a specific intent to kill, premeditation, and deliberation. In addition, murder committed by acts such as strangulation, poisoning, or lying in wait are also treated as first degree murder." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINK Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Is it illegal to follow someone down a street/sidewalk in public? Does a police dispatcher's instructions constitute a lawful order? It depends on what your intentions are, yes & no.Not sure, but why call if you are not willing to follow their instructions, you called them, they did not call you?When did an old fashioned ass kicking constitute a deadly shooting?I am not on one side or the other of this media frenzy (case), not enough true evidence for me, plus I try not to make judgement without facts...Not my fight!I will say this though, there are plenty of "Ass Hats" carrying guns today, strutting their stuff like they are something special just because they have a gun now, I work with several...If you carry for your home/family protection fine, I get that, and if you are afraid of getting mugged, robbed, raped, etc etc., I get that too, but when you make a nuisance of yourself just because you can carry a gun, well that speaks for itself, just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 if defending yourself from an unarmed attacker half your size (that you provoked in the first place) ...Basis for "Half your size"??? Martin was much taller and only about 10lb lighter than Zimmerman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 hey look, thats the difference maker in this case....instead of an unarmed dead kid, you'd have a police officer there... how about doing the right thing?If only I could carry a cop in a holster on my side preferably a U.S. Marshall or FBI so they have jurisdiction in multiple states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) I'm a white Asian targeting a poor innocent black tod. He was wearing his "don't stir the shit" hoodie with a pocket full of "rational discussion" fried chicken. I lost him after chasing him down with magleys rocket launcher loaded with "I have no basic understanding of how affirmative self defense is applied in law" incendiary rounds. Uncle pink flanked me, and was about to turn me into just another one of his white wimmenz, but Thank god exarch was there with his mighty fists that can knee cap everyone who commit crimes and even thinks about carrying protection... He saved me by turning back time and making sure I wasn't in a bad neighborhood.Then I woke up from this nightmare to find myself in a world where Asians had ginger nipples, and seppuku'd to preserve my honor and sanity. Edited April 10, 2012 by jbot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exarch Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 More cliff notes , exarch spells like he is in the forth grade. He also spent six years in the military. If you want anybody to take you seriously please take your self seriously and hit the books.I spell like I am on a phone, typos and all :shrug: sorry I dont backspace everytime I see a typo. Not like I can just right click fix or get a red squiggly if I type something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'm done with this thread, i hope I don't get shot and killed, if I do, so be it, it's not worth my time to beat my head against a wall any further.I will say I'm more likely to be the trayvon martin, so i guess that's why I identify with that side of this case. I'm gonna go get some candy. Nobody shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) When did an old fashioned ass kicking constitute a deadly shooting?When one person feels their life is in danger! Edited April 10, 2012 by crb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'm done with this thread, i hope I don't get shot and killed, if I do, so be it, it's not worth my time to beat my head against a wall any further.I will say I'm more likely to be the trayvon martin, so i guess that's why I identify with that side of this case. I'm gonna go get some candy. Nobody shootDon't attack anyone from behind or smash someones head in the concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KZ900 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) ... Edited November 13, 2012 by KZ900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 second degree murder, no premeditation, he didn't plan to kill this kid, he just did."Generally, second degree murder is common law murder, and first degree is an aggravated form. The aggravating factors of first degree murder are a specific intent to kill, premeditation, and deliberation. In addition, murder committed by acts such as strangulation, poisoning, or lying in wait are also treated as first degree murder."For sake of simplicity let's stick with Ohio law. The charge you describe is Murder, charged as a 2nd degree felony. So, you have to prove Zimmerman had the intent to commit a violent act that is a felony in the first or second degree as part of an attempt to purposefully kill Martin.Start at ORC 2903.02, and report back when you have the evidence required to support that conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exarch Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 When did an old fashioned ass kicking constitute a deadly shooting?When one person feels their life is in danger!You sir fail... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'm done with this thread, i hope I don't get shot and killed, if I do, so be it, it's not worth my time to beat my head against a wall any further.I will say I'm more likely to be the trayvon martin, so i guess that's why I identify with that side of this case. I'm gonna go get some candy. Nobody shootBye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 For sake of simplicity let's stick with Ohio law. The charge you describe is Murder, charged as a 2nd degree felony. So, you have to prove Zimmerman had the intent to commit a violent act that is a felony in the first or second degree as part of an attempt to purposefully kill Martin.Start at ORC 2903.02, and report back when you have the evidence required to support that conviction. Didn't this occur in Florida? If so why are prescribing ORC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) You sir fail... Stupid not so smart phone!FIFY! Edited April 10, 2012 by crb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Didn't this occur in Florida? If so why are prescribing ORC?Because the laws are similar enough and we all know the URL to ORC.Moot, really, since Magley has stormed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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