the ogre speaks on Colorado

[ReconRat]

Going to the grocery store is hunting. Modern hunting and gathering.

Knock the power out for one to three weeks. No grocery stores open. Where's your food?

Listen up. Power goes out and stays out. Your house is damaged. Everything is damaged. No one knows what to do. You share food with neighbors as best you can, inbetween looking for neighbors in houses flattened. It gets dark at night. You light fires and hope you don't burn the neighborhood down. All the roads are blocked with debris, you are on your own. Time passes, no help coming. You and everyone else are getting pretty hungry. You need clean drinking water badly. It's a full days walk to get to a grocery and back, with only what you can carry. It's already been looted. Looters start looking for food, your food, if you have any. They have weapons, wherever they got them. You fix that by posting guards at intersections with shotguns. Looters don't stop when they see this. National Guard recognizes the problem, and sends out APCs and other light armor to patrol. They decide not to allow the troops to have ammo. National guard gets ambushed by looters that want the weapons. You have to quick gather an armed group and rescue the National Guard. Eventually you find some water deliveries nearby. You walk to get there and back. Still no food available. Weeks go by before evacuations can begin.

Impossible? Nope, hurricane Andrew, Miami/Dade, 1992. 117,000 houses damaged or flattened.

And both hurricane Ike and hurricane Katrina were worse.

Edited July 22, 2012 by ReconRat

[Reimbrandt]

I was freakn wondering about that.... Ya got me speed..... I should have known better.

[serpentracer]

Going to the grocery store is hunting. Modern hunting and gathering.

Knock the power out for one to three weeks. No grocery stores open. Where's your food?

Listen up. Power goes out and stays out. Your house is damaged. Everything is damaged. No one knows what to do. You share food with neighbors as best you can, inbetween looking for neighbors in houses flattened. It gets dark at night. You light fires and hope you don't burn the neighborhood down. All the roads are blocked with debris, you are on your own. Time passes, no help coming. You and everyone else are getting pretty hungry. You need clean drinking water badly. It's a full days walk to get to a grocery and back, with only what you can carry. It's already been looted. Looters start looking for food, your food, if you have any. They have weapons, wherever they got them. You fix that by posting guards at intersections with shotguns. Looters don't stop when they see this. National Guard recognizes the problem, and sends out APCs and other light armor to patrol. They decide not to allow the troops to have ammo. National guard gets ambushed by looters that want the weapons. You have to quick gather an armed group and rescue the National Guard. Eventually you find some water deliveries nearby. You walk to get there and back. Still no food available. Weeks go by before evacuations can begin.

Impossible? Nope, hurricane Andrew, Miami/Dade, 1992. 117,000 houses damaged or flattened.

And both hurricane Ike and hurricane Katrina were worse.

you're being very irrational. what do you hunt in the middle of a city anyway?

for thousands of years people hunted with everything but a gun. you don't need a gun to survive. sorry but that argument has no merrit. if anything it just proves we should improve our disaster response efforts.

without a gun there's no way he could have killed all these people. most he could have done is stab a few people. besides, I didn't read about some CCW person stopping anyone from doing something like this EVER.

name the last time any of you actually needed a gun to defend yourself. your chances of being struck by lightning are much higher.

sorry but if they ever put a vote up for banning gun sales/manufacturing in the usa I'm voting for it. it's the only way to stop these morons from getting their hands on one. because someone is putting guns in the hands of criminals in the first place. then you got legit stores selling guns to whoever walks through the door. these things are not a toy any random moron should be allowed to buy. fuck sake we make people go through drivers ed to drive a car. why not make it a dreadful pain in the ass to get a gun at least. YOU gun loving bible thumping 2nd amendment nuts ENABLE criminals to have guns and shoot people with them.

Edited July 22, 2012 by serpentracer

[kawi kid]

Lol

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

your senario can be used to argue for saving the postal service. but 90% of you will argue you don't need the postal service anymore.

same thing with cash.

without a gun there's no way he could have killed all these people. most he could have done is stab a few people. besides, I didn't read about some CCW person stopping anyone from doing something like this EVER.

when's the last time any of you actually needed a gun to defend yourself? your chances of being struck by lightning are much higher.

sorry but if they ever put a vote up for banning gun sales/manufacturing in the usa I'm voting for it. it's the only way to stop these morons from getting their hands on one.

No guns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_attacks

How is this for a CCW stopping people?

https://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS467US467&sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS467US467&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=florida%20man%20stops%20casino%20robbery&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=ef586ce76644437e&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=911

[4DAIVI PAI2K5]

Serpent be trolling but Ill post info for others that may say something in a serious non informed way.

[Jst2fst]

Ok fine I'll sell my guns and just carry an RPG. Nobody's gonna mess with a guy with a RPG.

[speedytriple]

A sharp stick thats all you need to survive.

[ReconRat]

Now here only for the popcorn.

there is food everywhere. Just have to know what you are looking for. Most people don't.

I'd eat an alligator if I was in Florida and hungry. And those are common.

I can think of three times stopped crimes. Didn't have to draw. They ran. Not reported.

Most are not reported. Those that are, are often not in the news.

I do not thump bibles. I do not love guns. I'm not even a right winger.

A firearm is a tool, like a hammer. Ignorance or abuse of the tool is not the hammer's fault.

It is not scarey, and I'm not afraid of it.

For some reason I think of all the attempts to pass laws right after something like this.

Only to find out that those laws already exist and are not being obeyed.

Laws against guns do not get rid of guns for criminals. It makes criminals of those who have guns.

Other countries that have done that have no decrease in crime. And gun crime does not go away.

Chicago in particular, does not allow handguns. They have a lot of them, and used for crime.

New York did the same, and has done better with that. Gun crime went down.

DC also, and no luck there. Illegal guns are common, even one of the DC mayors had one.

Wild guess here. Some one isn't allowed to purchase a gun. It happens.

When in gun shops, it's really common to see somebody turned down on the instant check. It works.

All of the mass murderers are age 17 to 24. Wouldn't it make more sense, and be easier, to register them, watch them, search their stuff constantly, and make them all undergo psychological evaluations. Spree killers and serial killers are different, and have to be found a different way.

edit: I might even go along with a law making it a minimum age of 25 to own a firearm. Except anyone with military service.

Edited July 22, 2012 by ReconRat

[Gixxus Christ!]

Nobody is going to change serpentsracers mind because he's not using it. He's arguing from a position of ignorance. Facts will not dissuade him. Notice how he never responded to my challenge about women and handguns for self defense? He probably never even considered it that aspect of it. I hope nobody ever assaults him or breaks into his home, he obviously doesnt believe he gas to defend himself from that and will depend solely on the mercy of the armed criminal.

[ReconRat]

lol, I have to think of Army days. We didn't call them "guns". We'd get beat down for that. They are rifles and pistols and such. A gun is a type of artillery, and that was the only thing we were allowed to call a "gun". Like "field gun" or "tank gun".

[VanDy]

Here is a good read.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850156/posts

-VanDy

[Gixxus Christ!]

That's some good truth there van.

[Reimbrandt]

Theres reasons we americans are afforded the right to keep n bear arms. Not only for self defense but it is the MAIN reason we have never had enemys at our shores. They know its near suicide mission.... A japanesse commander even said they never considered it cause its suicide cause there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. A bunch ofnliberal dipshits can screw all of that by getn a gun ban passed.... Ever think there ST that if there were way more law abiding citizens armed than idiots that it would be a much safer society!?!

[Rjettman]

Timothy McVeigh killed way more people without a gun. Maybe this Colorado shooter would have strapped the bombs he left in his apartment to himself and then walked into that theatre and killed way more people himself. Banning guns is like banning drugs, alcohol, hookers, and giant sodas. Fail.

[Reimbrandt]

Giant sodas???

[Scruit]

I'm willing to bet that none of you would have been able to do a damn thing without endangering the life of a innocent bystander.

Are you saying their lives were not already endangered?

Even with little hope of killing him (body armor etc) some return fire could have distracted him long enough to allow more to escape.

I dunno if I would have started shooting - would depend on his the situation unfolded. Am I close enough to get a hit? Is he standing still? Is he aiming somewhere else right now, meaning I have time to aim a shot? Can I flank him? Can I get to an open area where there are no people and shoot from there, tactically forcing him to shoot me an allowing others to escape? Maybe returning fire would be a bad choice... But that's a choice I would rather have - rather than be disarmed and helpless.

Edited July 23, 2012 by Scruit

[Jst2fst]

Yep.. and while you wait for the "perfect opportunity"' date=' innocent people die by the second. Sometimes you just get tossed into a fucked up situation and innocent people die. Like that question I posed in the first thread about this Colorado fuck head. What if he's holding a child as a shield and popping people by the second? Every second you wait to shoot him through that child.. that's another life lost to a killer. Are you going to sit there while 10, 20, 30 more people die because some kid got dealt a raw deal?[/quote']

I can kinda agree here but it's a moral aspect of the chl holder. I know who gives a shit when someones shooting up a place with no reguard for human life. Yes using a child as a shield is a cowardly way to do things and said child would of been delt the short stick. I guess it comes down to the saying " Id rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6". Just thinking out loud here.

[Reimbrandt]

I agree with what others have said too...... I think if someone would have put one good round on this pencil dick he would have turned and ran. Body armornor not...... Your still getn hit withbthe force of that round and it still hurts like hell. He doesnt put me in mind of a stand and fight type....... As many of the gun weilding punks arent

[serpentracer]

Giant sodas???

new york banned soda's over 16oz. I guess the gun owners in new york didn't thwart the gov plan.

[Reimbrandt]

Wow.....a ban on the size of a drink. Thats how assinine our goverment has become..... I beleive there are more pressing things one in that positin could focus on.

[Steve Butters]

thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard.....if someone wants more than 16oz, just buy two of them....what did that ban accomplish?

hell, i cant imagine the huge economic hit they took from no longer being able to sell 20oz bottles of pop....you may not stop and think about it much, but look at the price of a 20oz pop ($1.35-$1.80 avg) and how often theyre bought, especially from waiting room vending machines and at cash registers while waiting in lines....ive never heard of a soda ban....i now feel moar stuppider for even being part of a society that would implement such a retarded law

[magley64]

While I agree with serpent's stance personally, I wouldn't ever vote to outlaw guns politically...

my views on guns are very similar to my views on religion, I respect your right to have it, even if I find it utterly absurd. I'd rather guns/religion be abandoned as a personal act of agency, rather than forbidden as an act of policy.

if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, have at it. Just keep it out of my life.

thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard.....if someone wants more than 16oz, just buy two of them....what did that ban accomplish?

that's exactly what it is trying to accomplish. forcing people to actively think about what they are putting into their body. If you want a gallon of pop, you can still have it, but you have to actively seek it out, and purchase it intentionally.

Do I think it'll have any real effect? nope... Do I think it's overall pretty stupid? Yep.. but I do understand the thought process behind it.

Edited July 23, 2012 by magley64

[DrewsBrews]

http://listverse.com/2009/03/07/16-signs-that-you-live-in-a-tyranny/

see#5

[magley64]

FTR, I hadn't seen where the soda ban had actually passed, link?

last i knew it was simply a proposal by bloomberg...