A possible AWB List.....

[fazer1sniper]

First Twinkies now this.

http://americannationalmilitia.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/

The possible AWB.... Take 2-

HR 1022, 110th Congress:

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

M1 Carbine,

Sturm Ruger Mini-14,

... AR-15,

Bushmaster XM15,

Armalite M15,

AR-10,

Thompson 1927,

Thompson M1;

AK,

AKM,

AKS,

AK-47,

AK-74,

ARM,

MAK90,

NHM 90,

NHM 91,

SA 85,

SA 93,

VEPR;

Olympic Arms PCR;

AR70,

Calico Liberty ,

Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

Calico M-110,

MAC-10,

MAC-11, or MPA3,

Olympic Arms OA,

TEC-9,

TEC-DC9,

TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,

Uzi.

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

Armscor 30 BG,

SPAS 12 or LAW 12,

Striker 12,

Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,

(ii) a threaded barrel,

(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),

(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.

Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than

10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).

A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:

(i) a second pistol grip,

(ii) a threaded barrel,

(iii) a barrel shroud or

(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and

(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock,

(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),

(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and

(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

[scottb]

This sounds bad.

That last part = "“semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

The pistol part "firearm based on a design of a firearm" ( designed for military or law enforcement ) sounds like that would / could include, 1911's, GLock's, Beretta 92Fs. So, then the other Kel-tec's and Hi-points will still be ok since they were not used / issued by police or military.

[fazer1sniper]

"Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93..."

They got that covered. It's such a blanket list and the language the the AG can set the standard is quite interesting. On the bright side the Supreme Court has upheld gun rights as of late it my be a plus againts this AWB proposal. But how many of those Justices are going to be replaced by POTUS the next 4 years? Good thing I'm just a dutifull public servant totally forget what "De Oppresso Liber" means.

Edited November 28, 2012 by fazer1sniper

[Kyle Hunter]

Do you mean first this, then Twinkies? This says it is from the 110th Congress, if my Wiki reading is correct that ended Jan, 3rd 2009. The 111th congress remained democratically controlled. Us republicans hold the house in our current 112th Congress. In January 2013 once again the house will be republican controlled. But I've got some more lenses I would to buy so . . RRA AR and and 2k rounds of Lake City xm193 for $3,500?

[TSB67]

#1: There is no phucking way.

#2: I'm pretty sure I've seen this list before on one of those annoying FWD:FWD:FWD: emails.

I didn't bother perusing any more of the site, but the fact that this was posted recently makes me certain that it is one of those worthless MOAR FEAR sites.

[MidgetTodd]

As I said on the last one, that's an old list and many of those are already banned in one way or another. Fear mongers

[kawi kid]

It makes me happy that I have some of the specifically names ones that are extra deadly

[MidgetTodd]

It makes me happy that I have some of the specifically names ones that are extra deadly

Dude you have the HiPoint Carbine too?

[Cheech]

Here we go again. Honestly, is doing a shred of independent research that hard, or are you so fat and happy being spoonfed info from your fearmongering sources that you've lost any semblance of independent thought?

[imprez55]

This is so broad of a list I can't take it seriously. I looked for any evidence on the link and all I could find was a youtube video that was uploaded in 2009. I think this is this is just fallout from the initial Obama election

[ReconRat]

The assault weapons ban expired on March 2, 2004.

HR 1022 is the attempt to reinstate in 2007.

Attempts were made in 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009.

None since 2009, all died in committee, for the most part.

Yes it's possible another attempt will be made.

No, it's not likely to have any success.

This elected Congress is locked up tighter than the previous one.

The voting public managed to vote out most of the moderates,

making an even more divided and dead-locked Congress.

edit: What is dangerous is use of executive order to bypass Congress.

yw

[idodishez]

As I said on the last one, that's an old list and many of those are already banned in one way or another. Fear mongers

So you don't fear gun rights under the current admin? (the OP list aside)

Nobama 2012

[Pokey]

So you don't fear gun rights under the current admin? (the OP list aside)

Nobama 2012

I honestly don't have a real comfy and cozy feeling about it, but agree to a point that nothing "major" could happen very quickly.

[fazer1sniper]

The reason I posted it is it has been getting some attention on several right wing sites, encudeing ones that Special Ops Intel monitor (thanks to some of my close contacts still in the comunity) And the rumor has been raised that good old Sara Brady has got her bandwagon all loaded up for another push after POTUS mentioned it in the debate. And like Recon, I know how adept POTUS is in the use of the executive order. I forget the exact count but he's over 150 of them in 4 years.

[Cheech]

The reason I posted it is it has been getting some attention on several right wing sites

Of course it has, people who can't seem to be bothered to do any critical thinking or independent research keep reposting it along with whatever the latest derp is from sites like Infowars.

encudeing ones that Special Ops Intel monitor (thanks to some of my close contacts still in the comunity)

I must have missed the part where being a member of the Special Ops meant you had special insight into the political process. I understand you were a member, but give me a break. You and the currently serving soldiers are no better informed about this than the rest of us (I'd even venture to say less informed, since you seem to be defending something that's been easily debunked)

And the rumor has been raised that good old Sara Brady has got her bandwagon all loaded up for another push after POTUS mentioned it in the debate.

Citation needed.

And like Recon, I know how adept POTUS is in the use of the executive order. I forget the exact count but he's over 150 of them in 4 years.

And Bush II had 171 in that time span. That means approximately fuck-all.

Once again, please, for the love of FSM, read something that's not from Infowars, WND, or whatever "right wing sites" that keep fomenting this shit, and stop hand-wringing about the big Lib boogeyman that's going to personally steal your gun after he shoots your dog and forces you to get a physical for free with universal health care.

[ReconRat]

Actually I think it's Dianne Feinstein that all the rumors are about.

And nothing is in main stream media yet.

edit: Found this. One line from a local news article in LA after Feinstein won re-election.

"Feinstein also said she intends to introduce an even tougher assault weapons ban."

Edited November 30, 2012 by ReconRat

[Pokey]

Some so called intelligent folks worried about nothing, all is good and peachy in their make believe country. The USA isnt being run by a POTUS that is Socialist in sheeps clothing, and to those that take the time to research and investigate, they have superior knowledge and insight "trust" as to the goings on in this country. Nah.....nothing fishy and suspicious about the POTUS and his past, and nothing suspicious and fishy about the election results. Keep on believing we are on the right track, keep on believing he has the best interest in mind for this country and its "citizens". Obama loves the United Nations.....he has their interests in mind.

Where hath the apostles gone?

Joining hands with wicked ones

Revelation has come to pass

New world order, will hold the mass

A book written by the man

Used to control and command

All rights will be denied

Without the mark you shall die

No confession, all is known (All is known)

New world order, you shall be shown (Shall be shown)

Monitoring all wages

New world order comes in stages

Currency is obsolete

Feel the agony of defeat

Symbol of society today

A must have or you shall pay

As humans flesh leads the mind

Just as a pawn the last martyr dies

No confession, all is known (All is known)

New world order, you shall be shown (Shall be shown)

Where hath the apostles gone?

Joining hands with wicked ones

Revelation has come to pass

New world order, will hold the mass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4fnMcrBUsI

Edited November 30, 2012 by Pokey

[twowheelsnake]

Really? This shit again?

[kawi kid]

Here we go again. Honestly, is doing a shred of independent research that hard, or are you so fat and happy being spoonfed info from your fearmongering sources that you've lost any semblance of independent thought?

Wanna trade BMI numbers? We can then really tell who the fat and happy ones are.

Edited November 30, 2012 by kawi kid

[jbot]

I'm waiting for the fear to hit an all time high so I can sell my new, unfired Romanian psl-54, complete with 4 or 5 mags and kit bag and scope.

Coming to your local armslist listing soon for an exorbitantly high asking price.

[Pokey]

:ky: ^^^^^^

[Cheech]

I'm waiting for the fear to hit an all time high so I can sell my new, unfired Romanian psl-54, complete with 4 or 5 mags and kit bag and scope.

Coming to your local armslist listing soon for an exorbitantly high asking price.

In all honesty, I'm starting to see the draw of buying guns for investment vehicles. Since the cycles are retardedly easy to predict, and the demand is so easily manipulated into a buying frenzy, I can understand how there is money to be made on this. The risk is still crazy high (to me) since the market is essentially governed by someone signing their name onto a piece of paper vs. normal supply/demand curves, but I understand.

[jbot]

In all honesty, I'm starting to see the draw of buying guns for investment vehicles. Since the cycles are retardedly easy to predict, and the demand is so easily manipulated into a buying frenzy, I can understand how there is money to be made on this. The risk is still crazy high (to me) since the market is essentially governed by someone signing their name onto a piece of paper vs. normal supply/demand curves, but I understand.

as long as you buy guns you think are cool as shit, there is very little risk cause worst case scenario, you have a bunch of guns that are cool as shit and best case scenario, you have a bunch of guns that are cool as shit that's worth more than what you bought it at. and shooting them while you hold onto them between masshole panic swings doesnt really affect value as long as you're not putting on tens of thousands of rounds on them and don't scratch/dent/generally fuck them up.

[Cheech]

as long as you buy guns you think are cool as shit, there is very little risk cause worst case scenario, you have a bunch of guns that are cool as shit and best case scenario, you have a bunch of guns that are cool as shit that's worth more than what you bought it at. and shooting them while you hold onto them between masshole panic swings doesnt really affect value as long as you're not putting on tens of thousands of rounds on them and don't scratch/dent/generally fuck them up.

My point is, given the recent run on the gun supply chain that, if I'm reading MT's posts correctly will take months to return to normal, it's entirely possible and predictable to buy something in, say, a year and then sell in 4 years to a tidy profit, as long as the gun is kept in good shape obviously with minimal to no effort on my part other than the capital being tied up in a hunk of metal in my closet.

Edited November 30, 2012 by Cheech

[jbot]

My point is, given the recent run on the gun supply chain that, if I'm reading MT's posts correctly will take months to return to normal, it's entirely possible and predictable to buy something in, say, a year and then sell in 4 years to a tidy profit, as long as the gun is kept in good shape obviously with minimal to no effort on my part other than the capital being tied up in a hunk of metal in my closet.

yup, i was agreeing with you, but with more swear words