if i might add something; some people are fast and some people are slow. some people are slow for different reasons. but please, in the name of all that is good, do not ride beyond your limits! anyone that comes out with us, do not feel like you have to keep up. ride your own ride. the last time we had a bunch of new guys come out with us, one guy totalled his brand new bike. i personally could give 2 shits about who is fast and who is slow. its not a race! whoever makes it home safely is a good rider