btw, since some dealers are slow to respond and some of the really nice deals are hard to come by: 08 1125R (black) with ~700mi (demo i think) is still technically "new" - $5700 OTD 08 1125R (black) with the new side fairings - $5920 OTD 09 1125CR (red) - $5920 OTD those are the best offers I've had so far. Those were at Gover HD in Piqua, OH. sales guy was Steve. Those prices are better than what I'm committed at for my CR, but I don't like to back out once I committed to something, so have at it. i think stargazer mentioned something about a dealer in dayton (FS HD i think?) had them for even cheaper than that. then, of course, there are some dealers out there selling 09 R's for 4500 but i think those are all sold. craziness.