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Who all here open carries?

I do. Mostly when I am out and about running errands or something. If I'm just going to work, I conceal just because my IWB holster is easier to remove with the firearm in it.

You could always let your other angels eat them if no one will take them. If I had a good tank for them I'd grab some but I don't think they would get along with my tiger barbs.

To answer the question this thread's title proposes: Yes.

I'm sure there's a worse/more embarrassing way to go, but I can't think of one at the moment...

Discuss.

I dunno. It might be a good thing. Think of the relief you have when you get a nice big one out, kind of refreshing. This might put you in a good mood to die?

"Those that sacrifice liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I love reading NinjaNick's alcohol disclaimers.

or if CA had fallen off into the ocean.

We can only hope....

I enjoyed watching him at that age get joy from that. It may even be the alcohol, but he got me a bit choked up at the end when he did.

Don't worry, you weren't the only one that got choked up.

I'd bet it was some closure for him, to be appreciated for what his country asked him to do so many years ago. Snipers take pride in what they do and for him to know he's still got it after all these years, not only with his original rifle but with one from today...well it made him feel like a young soldier again I'm sure.

Rubber band included?

Guns are included right?

oh and

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I hate winter.......

I lost interest about here

There are plenty examples of Hyenas stealing food from lions.

While written well his premise is that all predators are created equal which I find to be absurd. Criminals who admit to preying on unarmed victims are not the true bad asses of the criminal world. I will take my chances with that level of competency as opposed to the predator who will exploit a target showing a means to defend itself. That type of attack is usually so brutal and absolute that survival is not likely to happen. While I am speculating on scenarios just as much as the author about imaginary attacks my philosophy on self defense is much different. I will take my chances with a predator that hasn’t assessed his target any better than to choose me as a victim as opposed to one who will seek a confrontation with an armed target.

We have had these open carry discussions before and I whole heartedly agree that people who have figured out that its right for them should be doing so; it’s just not right for me. I do not like to have unsolicited conversations with people that open carry provokes and could care less about informing people. If a conversation with a random stranger about firearms changes someone’s mind about their own self defense or second amendment rights they were too stupid for me to care about them in the first place.

I have heard of one instance where the police believe the attackers picked their target based on the fact he was open carrying. He was walking his dog in the evening.

On the flip side I have heard of one instance where open carrying is believed to stop the threat. Where the two guys were gonna rob the joint but waited until they saw the two OC'ing. I posted that up on ORDN a while back.

I don't disagree with your stance Punk because there are too many variables to say that one way is better than the other all the time. I vary my carrying method based on the circumstances because that is what I believe is better for me at the time. I don't know why, I mean really deep down why, you do what you do but if that's what works for you and yours, then I am all for it.

Welcome to ORDN.

crazy, you are the first person i've ever heard of that's had anything bad to say about USAA. I love it and wouldn't bank anywhere else. Take pictures of checks on my phone to deposit them, free (refunded) ATM use, best customer service I've experienced anywhere (not just banking or insurance) and direct deposits available as soon as they are sent from the other bank rather than waiting days. Huntington is a close second, just because they have free business checking so I use them for that since USAA doesn't offer business accounts.

Dealing with them when I was in was great. And I'm not disputing the services like scanning checks and all that. But since I've been out anytime we had an issue with something, trying to work with them was near impossible. Being on hold for hours at a time, not being able to talk to people that can help with our issue, them saying one thing and then doing another. when we would talk to someone and work out an issue, we'd get a call the next day because they wouldn't annotate it in their system so we'd have to go through the whole process again. Not getting into a lot of details because they are my issues but my experience is unless you are a perfect customer, service is great. As soon as you have some problems with whatever, don't bet on them helping you a whole lot.

Just in general, the time difference sometimes makes it difficult to deal with them and not having an actual place I can walk into and talk face to face which is nice sometimes.

U. S. A. A.

Seriously. You don't need to be military to get a checking/savings account, I get a certain number of ATM fees refunded to me at the end of the month, or if you need cash back just go to a grocery store and get it there, no debit transaction fees. Great customer service, even better online banking.

If you absolutely have to have access to deposit live checks, get a account at a local branch (even better, get a acct at a bank where your mortgage lives if they have local branches), get an account that still has free checking with no min. balance (Huntington springs to mind), set up bank-to-bank wire transfers (you get a certain number free per month), and there you go.

Learn how to game the system.

SCREW USAA! Since my wife and I have been out it's lying pulling teeth trying to deal with them. We were on the phone constantly with them because they don't update records, saying one thing and then doing another. All my accounts with them are gone. I will never deal with them again or refer anyone to them.

If she called it quits, for whatever reason, it's probably safe to say she took her website down.

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Notice the copyright information and who she worked with.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ea_1258769617

In the past few weeks we have seen the untimely demise of two crucial partners in the fight to restore our Constitutional rights. TWO in the past month! Sarah Thompson, the Executive Director of the Utah Gun Owners Alliance (UTGOA) called it quits last month. And just last week Citizens of America – a national no-compromise gun rights campaign – announced it was ceasing operations.

http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/takingaim/mostgunowners.htm

Now, find it written by a credible source... www.therighter.com doesn't exist, and I bet this Sarah Thompson "MD" never did either.

Or you could just read it for what it is...an article someone wrote. I didn't post it because of the person who wrote it, or what site it's on, or whether the original site (still) exists or if the person who wrote it is really Sarah Thomson or someone used a pen name. You can read it or not. I don't care. None of those things change the fact that when you clicked the link, words were in front of your face to read if you wanted to.

This really made my day.

That is outstanding!

Money hungry bankers or justified to cover costs?

JPMorgan Chase, one of the nation's largest banks, is considering capping debit card transactions at either $50 or $100, according to a source with knowledge of the proposal.

Why? Because of a tricky thing called interchange fees

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/10/pf/debit_cards_limit/index.htm

Good article. Thanks for sharing.

Found this the other day. Thought there might be a few who would enjoy it. I'm not pushing open carry, or carrying a firearm in general, on anyone. Just some food for thought for anyone interested.

My response is in the first actual sentence,

How often have you heard these statements from misguided advocates of victim disarmament, or even woefully uninformed relatives and neighbors?

Are you asking me that?

Charlie who?

Surprise:

Probably the most common condemnation of open carry comes from the armchair tacticians who believe it’s better to have the element of surprise in a criminal encounter. Although this was touched on in the previous paragraph about deterrence, I’ll expand on it specifically here because there are some important truths you need to consider before you lean too heavily on this false support. Surprise as a defensive tactic is often based on unrealistic or ill-thought out scenarios, and seems to exist only in the minds of concealed carry firearms proponents. The circumstance where several street toughs surround and taunt you for a while before robbing you, like in some Charles Bronson movie, is not realistic; the mugger wants to get in and out as fast as possible. In most cases you will have only seconds to realize what’s happening, make a decision, and react. Imagine you’re walking along the sidewalk when two gangsta looking teenagers suddenly appear at the corner coming in the opposite direction. You have only seconds to react if their intent was to victimize you. Do you draw your concealed firearm now or wait until there’s an actual visible threat? If they are just on their way to church and you pull a gun on them, you are the criminal and you will likely forever lose your firearms rights for such a foolish action. If you don’t draw and they pull a knife or pistol when they’re just a couple steps away, your only options are draw (if you think you can) or comply. Imagine staring at the shiny blade of a knife being held by a very nervous and violent mugger, three inches from your or your wife’s throat and having to decide whether or not you have time to draw from concealment. The element of surprise may not do you any good; in fact the only surprising thing that might happen is that your concealed carry pistol gets taken along with your wallet. The thug will later get a good chuckle with his buddies about how you brought a gun to a knife fight. The simple truth is that while surprise is a monumentally superior tactical maneuver, it is exclusively an offensive action, not a defensive one. What many internet commandos call ‘defensive surprise’ is nothing more than damage control, a last ditch effort to fight your way back out of a dangerous situation. I am not aware of any army that teaches using surprise as a defense against attack. No squad of soldiers goes on patrol with their weapons hidden so that they can ‘surprise’ the enemy should they walk into an ambush.

It Will Get Stolen:

Another common criticism of open carry is that the firearm itself will be the target of theft, prompting a criminal to attack simply to get the gun from you. Like the previous example of being the first one shot in a robbery, above, this is despite the fact that there is no credible evidence it happens. It also blindly ignores the more obvious fact that anything you possess can make you the target of a crime, be it a car, a watch, or even a female companion (girlfriend, wife, or daughter). Crooks commonly steal for only one of two reasons; to get something you have that they want, or to get something that you have so they can sell it and buy something they want. I don’t claim it could never happen; just that it’s so remote a possibility that it doesn’t warrant drastic alterations to our self defense strategies. If you believe otherwise, leave your wife, children, watch, sunglasses, jewelry, and cell phone at home, hop into your Pinto wagon, and head out to do your thing. Very often, someone critical of open carry will cite some example of a uniformed police officer whose gun was taken by a violent criminal, and yes, this does indeed happen. The argument, however, breaks down when they assume the officer was targeted solely to steal his firearm. What is more likely is that the officer was targeted merely for being a police officer and the gun was stolen as a byproduct of the attack. More often, the officer’s gun is taken during the struggle to get the suspect into custody due to an entirely unrelated matter. However, let’s suppose, for argument, that a police officer really was attacked just to get his firearm. What actions did the police department take to prevent it from reoccurring? Did they demand that their officers carry concealed? No, of course not. You should, like the police, prioritize your defense strategy for the most likely threat first, and the least likely last.

It Scares People:

One other statement against open carry I hear is that it damages public perception of firearms owners, or that by carrying openly we are not being good ambassadors to the public. While there are some people who have a genuine fear of firearms, due either to some horrible past experience or anti-gun indoctrination, the majority of people are either indifferent to them or quite fascinated by them. I’ve never kept track of the dozens of fellow citizens I’ve encountered who have marveled at the idea of open carry, but I do know exactly how many have expressed displeasure at it; one. People are scared of many things for many reasons; however, pretending those things do not exist only perpetuates the fear. Someone who is disturbed by open carry is going to be every bit as disturbed by concealed carry. The only effective way to overcome a fear is to come to the intellectual realization that the phobia is based on emotion and not on fact. By being a firsthand witness that a firearm was carried responsibly and peaceably, and wasn’t being carried in the commission of a crime, one who was apprehensive about firearms discovers their fear is not fact based, but emotional. Thus, open carry can be a very effectual way of helping to overcome the emotionally based fear of the firearm. After all, you’d be much more likely to believe in ghosts if you saw one rather than if you listened to a ghost story around a campfire. In other words, we give significantly more credibility to the things we experience than we do to the things we hear. The bottom line is that this argument is made by people who don’t, cant, or haven’t carried openly; those of us who do so on a regular basis have an entirely different experience.

I’m Not Comfortable Carrying Openly:

This is really the only reasonable argument against open carry for an individual. We all have a comfort zone for any aspect of our lives and we prefer to stay within that comfort zone. We all agree that it’s better to be armed and never need the firearm than it is to need it and not have it. There is a point where concealing your firearm becomes so problematic, due to conditions like temperature or comfort, that some choose to either leave it behind or carry in such a way that it would be difficult or impossible to draw it quickly. If it takes me five or six seconds to draw my firearm from deep concealment and I had sufficient time before hand to actually do so, I would prefer to use that five or six seconds to avoid the entire encounter. I’m glad we have concealed carry laws in most of the states; it empowers and protects not only us but the general public through the offset deterrent effect. Some of us, however, choose the more direct deterrent effect of open carry.

Conclusion

No, open carry is not the be-all-end-all of self defense any more than concealed carry is. The purpose of this essay is not to convince you to carry a firearm openly, but to merely point out the reasoning I used to determine that it is often the best option for me. If you think otherwise, please feel free to write an essay of your own outlining the reasoning you used. I would suggest that you avoid the intellectual mistake of emphasizing rare or unlikely defense scenarios that many of us will never experience. I believe one should prioritize for the most likely threat, not the least likely threat. I don’t put Hollywood style bank robberies high on my threat list because I rarely go into a bank and those types of robberies are very rare themselves. I live in the most crime riddled city in the northwest; the most likely threat here is some young male with a knife or gun trying to carjack me or mug me on the street, in the park, or in a parking lot. With this knowledge I build my personal self protection plan based on that manner of attack. This may not suit you, especially if you live in Hollywood.

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-carry-discussion/7230-open-carry-argument.html