chevysoldier

Wrong on many levels. lol

lulz

well Ive never been informed of the whole CCW CHL thing anyway... but i see the difference in when and when not to shoot someone..

but i could totally shoot someone, if my family or my child is in danger i would not think twice about pulling a trigger..

Not saying you wouldn't be able to, but most people say the exact same thing. Of those "most" people, most of them will freeze up and realize that they are about to take a life. That scares people and the cannot comprehend what they are even considering doing.

iv changed my mind, i dont want a gun now... I'll stick with my tire thumper...

That guy that want to break into your house and kill you, his gun has a longer range than your tire thumper. And if you throw it at him you only have one chance. He has probably at least 6.

He spun around during the double tap, thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

But then again I live in the woods so I'd prolly just dispose of the body myself.

Stuff posted in the net, stay on the net.

Not to mention the psychological effects of taking another life -- are you prepared to do that? Really?

Yes I realize you weren't asking me either but absolutely. His life or mine, I'm not going down with out a fight.

Most civilians aren't going to draw their weapon unless they plan on firing it, but yea it's a grey area. I don't have the research that shows that drawing a weapon will more often than not, escalate the situation rather than diffuse it. If you have legal grounds to draw on someone, then you better be sure you have legal grounds to fire on them.

Of course, this is different if you're a trained Officer of the law.

I can only use terms like 'may' be an issue because you never know whether the prosecutor has an axe to grind with gun owners (politically), or maybe he just doesn't like you and decides to throw the book at 'them types of people that think they can just deal out vigilante justice'.

Agreed. If I draw my weapon I plan on being ready to use it. It won't be drawn as a deterrent but if I am staring down a barrel then I draw and point mine at him and he retreats all the better. Again a gun should not even come out unless deadly force is authorized. I would imagine a lawyer would have an easy time finding you guilty if you drew a weapon when it was not authorized and either escalation a situation or get you for inducing panic or something to that effect. And so others know a gun in a holster on your hip is not grounds for inducing panic.

That's why I don't have one. I don't know all of this. I need to read up on the regs and stuff so that I CAN get one though.

Just take the classes, research the laws and stay up on all the information. I always consider different scenarios I might be faced with and consult people with more experience than myself.

well thats ridiculous! then whats the point of having a ccw or a weapon if your going to get into trouble no matter what?

Huh? Using a weapon of deadly force CHL or not, is only reserved to combat the risk of an innocent dying. If I stole your bike, are you going to attempt to shoot me? It's a piece of property and it not justified to warrant the use of deadly force. If someone points a gun at your head and you cannot run, you are face with a threat to your life and are justified in your actions to take his life before he takes yours.

Threat to life = deadly force authorized

Threat to property (animals included like JRM said) deadly force is not authorized.

The idea is you are meeting a threat with and equal or lesser force, not greater than the threat is.

What an idiot. It's people like this that make the rest of the population scared of the law abiding citizen carrying a gun. It's not even like this situation could have been misinterpreted as a danger to someones life. If you don't understand what it takes to have a CHL and carry a firearm, don't do it. You run the risk of making a situation more dangerous, as we have all seen.

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Westerville, Ohio

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Memorial Mission Location:

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The memorial is located approximately 4 miles east of Interstate 71 on SR 37 (W. Cherry St. in Sunbury, Ohio and just east of SR 3.

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The tampon deal is used in prisons, easier to get away with. Male and female.

Vodka eyeballing is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard of.

And no way in hell I am drinking someone else's spit.

Happy Bday IP

HAHA, wow.

Looks like a good time.

Yes, it does look that way.

Isn't base jumping like 20 times more dangerous than skydiving? Due to the close proximity to structures and the low altitude?

Oh yeah, great. Now we'll have full length warnings on the sides of military aircraft...

"Caution - proximity to aircraft operations may be hazardous to your health"

Yeah, because those danger signs work great now as it is.

i have bungee jumped but never out of a plane.. I would love to try though!

You want to bungee jump out of a plane? You're crazy. lol

last time I jumped out of a plane the people on the ground weren't in a welcoming kinda mood

I'm confused. The marines know what this aircraft is capable of. It's isn't a new piece of equipment. The flight paths were probably figured out prior and police lines should have been kept so spectators were not put in danger.

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Springfield Township, Ohio

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Search for the Christian Sportbike Association, or CSBA, rides on here. They are the 3rd Saturday of every month.

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http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/Ohio-Gun-Laws

Bolded laws I consider especially important to CC. The others are just as important though.

9.68 Right to bear arms - challenge to law.

109.731 Prescribed forms.

504.04 Exercise of powers under limited home rule government.

1547.69 Firearm prohibitions.

2305.40 Owner, lessee, or renter of real property not liable to trespasser.

2305.401 member of the firearms industry not liable for harm sustained as a result of the operation or discharge of firearm.

2921.13 Falsification - in theft offense - to purchase firearm.

2923.11 Weapons control definitions.

2923.12 Carrying concealed weapons.

2923.121 Possession of firearm in liquor permit premises - prohibition, exceptions. This is in the process of being changed to allow carry where alcohol is served.

2923.122 Illegal conveyance or possession of deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance or of object indistinguishable from firearm in school safety zone.

2923.123 Illegal conveyance of deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance into courthouse - illegal possession or control in courthouse.

2923.125 Application and licensing process.

2923.126 Duties of licensed Individual.

2923.127 Challenging denial of license.

2923.128 Suspension and revocation of license.

2923.129 Immunity.

2923.1210 Application form.

2923.1211 Falsification of concealed handgun license - possessing a revoked or suspended concealed handgun license.

2923.1212 Signage prohibiting concealed handguns.

2923.1213 Temporary emergency license.

2923.13 Having weapons while under disability.

2923.14 Relief from weapons disability.

2923.15 Using weapons while intoxicated.

2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle.

2923.161 Improperly discharging firearm at or into a habitation, in a school safety zone or with intent to cause harm or panic to persons in a school building or at a school function.

2923.162 Discharge of firearm on or near prohibited premises.

2923.20 Unlawful transaction in weapons.

2923.201 Possessing a defaced firearm.

2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.

2923.211 Underage purchase of firearm or handgun.

So I watched a video on Open Carry and did not realize that you are legally allowed to have a gun in a holster in plain view in Ohio. That it crazy, scary, and cool all in one. So, without a permit, I would have to take that gun magazine out with the bullets in the mag and set it in the trunk or in the case in the trunk?

Without a CHL the gun needs to be emptied. A loaded magazine seperated from the firearm is still considered a loaded gun. Speedloaders for revolvers are the same way. The magazine or speedloader needs to be emptied BEFORE getting into the vehicle. This makes OC without a CHL kind of difficult if you have to drive anywhere. I do not know what the transportation laws are for a person without a CHL because it doesn't apply to me. I just leave all my handguns loaded anyways.

Yeah, I saw the one video someone posted with the OC in Cleveland or some where up there. The cop stopping them and giving him grief...

I was showing C-bus that video a few days ago. That's why the idea of Oc'ing scared me. Now it doesn't bother me. I probably OC 50% of the time, CC 50% of the time and am armed 100% of the time. It feels unnatural not to be armed.

I also urge you to get on those sites and research the hell out of Ohio's gun laws. Know your rights, where you can and cannot carry and be prepared for anything. You may and probably will encounter LE or civilians who do not know the law, are misinformed of the law or hate guns all together. I love ohioccw.org, I have the same s/n on there also.

If you need anything else let me know, I'll help any way I can.