Exarch, you fail miserably at reading comprehension. Where did I EVER mention an amount that I thought was fair? Please tell me! Would it be fair for the father of a child to make $150,000 a year and only pay $100 a month in support, where if the family was still together MUCH more than $100 a month would be coming out of the fathers pay to go for things that the child needs? I know people on both sides of the equation, and in reality it sucks for them all. Now on the visitation rights stuff, in one of the links that you provided, it states that the CSEA has NOTHING to do with visitation, that is all handled through the courts. Seeing that each case is different, there is not one blanket solution dealing with visitation, support payment amounts, etc... Another friend of mine was dealing with an unplanned pregnancy, was prepared to pay support, visitation, etc... The mother refused any paternity testing, and someone else claimed the child. He got off scott free, even though that's not what he wanted. There will always be a part of him out there that he has nothing to do with, even if he wanted. In my family's situation, I'm very grateful for the support that the stepsons dad pays, and that money is not wasted by any stretch of the imagination, it buys about 75% of the food for the household and the medications that they both have to take. He is not carrying any insurance for them, or anything else. He rarely see them, and is not denied time with them. I'm trying to get to the point where we don't need the support payments, and we can save that money to use for the boys, for their futures, such as college savings, etc... Most of them time that he does see them is when the boys ask, not when he asks. In fact, they ask to see his parents more than they do him. At this point, I probably have more influence on them than anybody, and have had people that have been around them comment on how much better they act since I've been a part of their lives, and I'm sure that their father sees that as well.