LOL, thanks RVT Yah, I've gotten pretty comfortable, I still tend to shift high but that's only in my neighborhood, I know the dangers of it but I'm ok with that. I appreciate Palandor, I use GearingCommander.com to get a sense for where the rev limiter is going to hit, as I mentioned, I never really hit the rev limiter until last weekend... then I hit it in every gear trying to keep up