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27 minutes ago, Gump said:

Do you think being handed a business continues to run successfully on its own? No different from when you're gifted something. Perhaps you should return your Christmas gifts, that is, if you kept it nice. You'd look a gift horse in the mouth. 

A local story about one of these wealthy sperm recipients that think they can run a company...research the Longaberger company.You won't believe me so research it yourself.But here's the short story...daddy starts and builds a Fortune 500 company, daddy dies from cancer,college educated daughter Tami takes over,ten years latter company is bankrupted and sold.Daughter walks away with tens of millions of dollars,taxpayer left holding the bag for delinquent taxes on top of all the corporate welfare in the past.But damn it. It 's that black single mother that is jobbing the system...getto rat!!!

No a business doesn't run itself,that's what you hire people for.So you can go fall of some mountain.At least we don't have to support that Walton with our taxes any more.

Oh, and you forgot the welfare in the form of tax abatements for creating those great jobs.

27 minutes ago, Disclaimer said:

WM has the best business model

1) Get gov't (and us) to subsidize labor force

2) Accept EBT / WIC from labor force

3) Get reimbursed by gov't (us again!) for goods sold

Perfect.  Gov't pays for part of your labor, and whatever your labor makes is spent right back on goods you sell.  Get the gov't to pay you twice.  Taking advantage of every "legal" tax deduction is just gravy.

Who's really taking gov't welfare there?

Of course that's all true,but it's the poor folks free iPhone that is bankrupting the country.Lazy bastards!!!

The Walton family...a great example of the hard working successful billionaire class.Their greatest achievement in life was being a successful man's sperm.Kind of like the last three republican presidential nominees.At least Obama worked and became successful by his own achievements,it wasn't handed to him at birth.

1 hour ago, ScubaCinci said:

To be clear, I'm not complaining about paying taxes, I'm complaining about raising taxes on those who work hard (yes, some people who are considered wealthy actually work for a living) to ostensibly give it to the ever growing population of lazy fucks. If everyone DID their fair share who was able, there wouldn't be a need to raise taxes. Especially since we know, as you all have stated, it gets sent overseas instead.

Now I'm not "rich" but far from poor and regardless of whether I bear the brunt of those taxes or not, it's a band-aid (and a poor one at that) treating the symptom and not the root cause. It's short-sighted and the politicians don't care because they exempt themselves from most of the crap (i.e. Obamacare) and use things like insider trader (which they are exempt from) to pad their wallets.

My wife pays more taxes from her small business than a lot of people make. So much so that she's talked of scaling back to be under certain tax brackets which means laying people off which is also us paying less taxes and those people paying no taxes and collecting unemployment. See how this works? It's asinine. You don't fuck with the very people who keep the economy afloat.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Odd that you would quote this Nazi era quote when you are one of the folks ranting about socialism.Any one that's been around this site for very long knows the prevailing sentiment about unions.Only the Jews stand between you and the facist.I hope it works out better for you than it did for the good people of Germany.

Yes I'm in a union.That's why you don't see me on here pissing and moaning labout paying taxes like some people.I'm pretty happy with my life. I really don't care about the amount of taxes I pay,I 'd rather see them go to the poor than some war that only destabilizes a region.

30 minutes ago, Gump said:

But you can only borrow it for two weeks without paying capital gains tax. 

I'm good with two weeks.I'll just jump on someone's private jet  and head to someone else's digs.I don't care if I ever get that bike back.Socialism rocks!Capitalism is for suckers.

4 hours ago, ScubaCinci said:

Again, if you keep taking from those that have and give to those that don't to try to equal them, that's socialism. Our society is based on capitalism because socialism doesn't work. But if you are all for it, from now on, 3 days a week you have to let anyone who can't afford it to ride your bike as they see fit. Oh, and you pay for gas, maintenance and any repair that needs to be done. Feels good to give your fair share, doesn't it. BTW, if Clinton gets in, make that 4 days. 

You know the more Ithink about it I the more I like your idea.Everybody that wants to use my bike can and then I can use other people's shit.Just let folks use my bike and I can use people's beach houses,mountain retreat,private jets ,expensive sports cars,etc,etc.Damn I like this socialism idea.Capitalism sucks, I only get to use my stuff.Thanks for letting me know the joys of socialism.

1 hour ago, ScubaCinci said:

Again, if you keep taking from those that have and give to those that don't to try to equal them, that's socialism. Our society is based on capitalism because socialism doesn't work. But if you are all for it, from now on, 3 days a week you have to let anyone who can't afford it to ride your bike as they see fit. Oh, and you pay for gas, maintenance and any repair that needs to be done. Feels good to give your fair share, doesn't it. BTW, if Clinton gets in, make that 4 days. 

Our system is now based on quasi-capitalism.We use socialist labor when ever we can.

You're joking  right?I f you can't understand the point of my last post we're just wasting our time.I've got better things to do, this liberal has to get up at 4:45 to start my ten hour day...you know how us libs like our freebies.

3 minutes ago, Gump said:

That's a stretch reply based on BS again. The rich do pay more dollars and a higher tax bracket. What more do you want? Under $40,000 with kids you're paying basically nothing. 

You might want to go back and re-read my posts.I never said they don't pay more, I said they should pay more, much more.Keep playing with numbers.My point is if the middle class and poor  bare the burden of casualties and the rich refuse to,they should pay for the lions share of supporting the military that protects their assets.

25 minutes ago, Gump said:

They do pay more! Ridiculous 

As I said in my previous post...when they start burying their kids I'll listen to their sacrifice.Money compared to kids is truely rediculous.

14 minutes ago, Connie14 said:

I thought conscription hasn't been used since Vietnam,  but I may be mistaken.  The rich pay the vast majority of taxes,  but it will never be enough for the government. 

Conscription might be one of the best things we could do to bring this very fractured country together.All races, religions and social classes living and working together on a equal footing could teach a lot of people a lot of things they need to know.Besides, with all of the young men growing up with out a man in the house it might teach them some good life skills.And some of the pampered little boys might learn something about real sacrifice.

1 hour ago, Lawrence1 said:

@Bubba,

 

 Typical fake conservative, they tout free markets but protect and exploit just about any market distorting loophole if the money's right.

 

Same as they hate socialism,until they can save money on a socialist made product. Then they're happy as hell to support socialism.

They only dislike socialism when it comes to helping someone else.

Hypocrites!!!

There's another reason I think the rich should be taxed harder...they don't fight our wars.The poor and workng class fight the wars that protect the rich folks assets.Until the rich start serving and filling some body bags they should pay more for the protection of our country.They want to talk about sacrifice...I'll start listening when they bury their kids like over 6000 poor and working class families have done since 9/11.

About every three or four months OR has one of these winey ass tax threads and no one ever seems to get to the root cause...the off shoring of the Amercan manufacturing base during the eighties and nineties.That gutted the middle class and the American tax base at the same time.The same winey ass people that cried about union workers making too much back then are the same folks crying about taxes now.Who did you think would pick up the tax burden when all those good jobs went to socialist China?You got what you wanted,go to Walmart and buy your socialist made shit,pay your taxes and be happy.

17 hours ago, Lawrence1 said:

 

14 hours ago, ricer1 said:

I would like to know if anyone believes the top 20% of earners are paying "Their Fair Share", based on the IRS figures the top 20% pay 84% of the taxes. I consider this more than their fair share.

 

This guy doesn't seem to think so and he should know.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/04/news/economy/buffett-secretary-taxes/

Plaque...what a difference one letter makes.

9 hours ago, Mary#17 said:

So am I hitting the good parts with these routes?  I have limited time each day and it takes a while to get down here but I can rearrange if I'm missing something good. Thanks. 

 

 

Of your two routes I like the second one best, but you are missing some of the best stuff.217 from 141 to either Greasy Ridge or 775 is a very twisty/tricky road with new pavement last year.There are a couple of switchbacks on that section that are as tight as you're going to find in Ohio.These are what I call cartoon corners.Remember the old loony toon mountain chases where their front paws are gripping the mountain road and their rear paws were spinning in the air?Yeah,that kind of turn!217 from 218 to 7(Miller) is  a very twisty section in the same league as 530 or 536.It's only about 5 miles so I usually do an out and back to Miller and then continue on 218 or 775.The pavement is getting a little rough on that part of 217,but if you like the tight twisty stuff you'll like it.The best part of 218 is south of Mercerville.The road surface is a little suspect...I'm not sure if it's good chipseal or pavement but it's not the most confidence inspiring.Very twisty but I'm always a little cautious when I run this area.

Here's route I usually run in that area...

from 135...

141e

775s

Hannon Trace se

790 sw?

775s

141sw

217e to Miller

217w

218 n to 7

This is just my preferred route and it does leave out some good stuff on 775,141,236 and Greasy Ridge.

One other thing... if you do ride 217 until it crosses Greasy Ridge you will notice a Vietnam Era artillery piece. This is the Danny Hayes Memorial.217 is the Danny Hayes memorial highway.I highly recommend stopping and reading the plague about Danny Hayes.We sometimes use the word hero pretty cheaply,Danny Hayes is the real deal!

12 hours ago, NinjaDoc said:

Denny u keep dropping pearls all over the forum, I wish you would make a comprehensive guide and rate like 30 best roads/ routes/ loops/ including county according to you in ohio  and as years go by I/we would try to hit all of them

Thanks Doc.I'm a sucker for good pavement conditions so my favorite routes or loops are changing year to year based on what roads ODOT and the counties pave.I never get tired of riding SEO because every year my favorite routes change.Also,I take long breaks away from Ohio,I'm in California now until about October.I'm in Santa Rosa so Highway 1,36,Skaggs Valley and Northern California is my playground this fall.

I might have been the one who posted those roads,they are all favorites of mine.As for conditions...I was down there early this year ...217 from 141 to Greasy Ridge was paved last year and still very good.217 from Greasy Ridge to 7 is older and getting a little rough.I would still run it though because 217 from 218 to 7 is one of the four twistyest roads I know in SEO.From what I remember 218,141 and 790 where all in very good condition although 790 was very dirty for some reason.I hope it's clean for your trip because it is a very good road.

Two county roads in that area worth trying ...Hannon Trace from 775 to 790 is very good.You can pick it up on 790 about a mile from 218.

Greasy Ridge road is a fun tight sweeper road.It parallels 775 and crosses it two or three times.The bottom part was paved last year but the top part is still older pavement, but still fun.

Sadly the best part of 775,Wilgus to Lecta,is full of tar snakes.

We've had this discussion before,Ohio doesn't need lane splitting.It would not be worth the lives that would be lost.

I'm currently in the North Bay and I rode up from the South Bay last week,California traffic is a whole different ballgame than Ohio.

4 hours ago, JustinNck1 said:

OK, some other forums I am on have a thread like this, and it seems to be interesting(250+ pages). You can simply just say what you did to your bike for the that day.

I wonder what forum that could be.Are you considering YFO?Now that will be an Epic ride.

I rode Ebberts pass and Moniter Pass yesterday.