I'm finding that a lot of mfg's dont offer elevation adjustment, just windage. Elevation can be ballparked to some degree once I'm familiar with the weapon, will probably rely on the Truglo once I get some irons fitted/sighted in.....want to start with those before I trust a powered optic that could fail me at some point. I'll check these out, thanx Sam. Believe these are what Sam was referring to, but this one appears to have a pin lock instead - I like the idea of flip n go vs. flip, pull pin to find the lock's seat and then pinlock it in.....more to consider but no more than these cost, I'd be happy with either option. Nice! Another Piquanian here! The ones from Veriforce dont appear to have any markings ( at least in the pics I've seen ) so could very well be what you have. Will have to make some time to meet up after New Years and compare bangbangs I'll check these out too. Thanx to all for the ideas so far - I have been surfing tons of tactical sites for sights, and there's virtually TOO much available for AR's, they're like the Ford Mustangs of the carbine world