No worries Derek. You're doing a great job with all the planning and helping with the route changes. What works for some, wont work for others - and that's the only fair way to do it. Ever changing. Honestly, one of the last Dreamrides ( pre Epic ride ) that was based out of Newark was the most centralized meet point to date. May be a good idea to try there again next season or 2. I'd even be game to trailer up towards Mansfield/Lexington for an Epic ride there ( if there's some savvy locals that could feed in good routes ) on a weekend so we could FINALLY meet more of our NEO riders. Likely be an overnighter for us, but I'd still dig it. Our biggest problem is we're having to leave home around 6am to make it to the final meet point in time, and without slabbing it would likely add an hour'ish to the journey. Stopping twice in route to help grow our group, meeting others from western/central doesn't help our travel time either, but I enjoy congregating stray riders and giving them a bigger pack to ride in with. Safety in numbers, and all that. In all, we'll PROBABLY make it again this year. Definitely gonna miss my sweep, but AJ has a solid commitment to keep - and a huge congrats to him on his wife-to-be. Found himself a keeper. My wife can sweep for me if need be. This month has been plagued with OT, and this is hell week at work, be 70+ hrs, but I'll be back to straight 8s next week and have time to do some last minute planning for the western OR meet up. Actually, I'll likely copy and past the Spring Epic WOR meet thread since the routes the same.