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now that was a great race, beginning to end!

I think a 250 would be a PERFECT starter track bike. http://www.motoseries.com/old/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2139

spoiler.... Congrats to Riders Discount, Eslick, and fanchoice.tv - would have liked to watch in real HD on my tv instead of my laptop, but beggars cant be choosers. Too bad that Disalvo and Westby went down midrace, it would have been an awesome final lap!

I ended up shipping my 1pc to Lizzy in VA for about 11 bucks via FedEx. At least I know its getting done right.

Need to get some road rash damage attended to before the season starts. Been using a local shoe repair shop, but not really impressed with the work so far. Any suggestions for local to Lake County? I've got some time and can ship if need be.

we used one for about the half the season last year on the kids bike, along with a iPhone based Harry's Lap Timer. For the money, IMHO you're WAAY better off with the HLT... The biggest difference is that although the HLT can give you instantaneous speed and G's everywhere on the track,the GPX can give you the additional channels of data like throttle position, engine speed, gear position (calculated by rpm and speed, or input with a sensor). But considering that the HLT only costs about 30 bucks (its a phone app), you have to justify those additional channels for the extra 400+. For me/us, just understanding how to benefit from basic lap analysis was plenty to do without the complication of adding the other stuff. Another big difference is that with the HLT you can jump off your bike after a session, and immediately inspect your laps, versus having to plug into a laptop. There is some data available on the little LCD screen, but nothing at all like the HLT. Makes routine analysis a pain in the ass. After the "new car smell" wears off on your several hundred dollar toy (mine is a loner), you're left with a cool gadget that you really have to think hard about how its actually going to improve your lap times especially when it comes to the extra channels... what do you do with all the data??? For us, if you can put down a fast lap and use that as a reference lap later, then you can see exactly what part of the track you need to concentrate on to get back to that speed. But as a tool for becoming faster without a reference, that's much trickier. Not as easy as saying "hey i need to go faster here" since not only is it easier said than done, but how do you know the bike/tires are capable of that? A cool feature of the HLT is that if you are riding with buddies that also have it, then everyone shares their laps via bluetooth. Pretty cool. i'd be happy to share screen shots of the phone screen or laptop software if anyone is interested. killing time till the season opener!

who's that with? their site doesnt list it. http://www.roadatlanta.com/events/track-days#motorcycle-track-days

Yah it's healthy but we're preaching to the choir. I think the take home messages are that riders need to be screened by the trackday org before advancing (done by STT more so than MS), and that no matter what group, there will exist a potential for a speed differential that needs to be handled with caution (STT stresses with specific rules MS not so much). If folks don't belong in a group there should be a discussion with that rider and/ or the org. Just my "too sense"

ok i think we beat this death. see you at the track, next year.

I dont mean to be argumentative, but in your example, that mid-pack Intermediate rider's abilities SHOULD have been vetted by the trackday organization before he hit the track as an A rider - i hope that actually doesn't happen that often. The premise to being an Advanced rider is predictable, consistent machine control, not necessarily race-pace speed. The presumption is that there is a level of comfort and confidence that comes with that that precludes getting spooked when being passed, at least during normal trackday "this-aint-a-race" passes. I would think an Advanced rider should be able to pass a mid-I group rider without blinking an eye and not have to stuff him or endanger "getting tangled". As i've admitted, i'm one of those bottom-feeder slower than shit A group riders. Somebody's gotta be. I sometimes get the impression that the A group is a racer-only group of elitists that dont appreciate anyone else crashing their party. (no pun intended!) But the reality is that the I group is huge and the fringe of that group WILL trickle into A. You crazy fast dudes just need to realize you have to share the track.

Getting back on topic here, re the difference between MS and STT - this is a good example of how they differ. Motoseries seems very lax about which group you sign up with. Like you said, it's a self-evaluated qualification. STT on the other hand required that we get paced (individually) by a control rider / ridign coach, and only then were we awarded an A sticker. And STT was VERY fussy about passing in I group - like a full wingspan clearance on outside passes (6' really?!), and no passing control riders until you get waved by. A little anal if you ask me, but I think MS could stand to be a little more regimented too (like "there are no passing rules")..

i appreciate the feedback Brian, believe me - the closing speeds are def a concern and something that i've struggled with. I guess my rationale is that i'm more comfortable to have a handful of Advanced riders pass Zack with a relative closing speed of 60 mph, versus a whole crapload of not-so-advanced (Intermediate) riders trying to do the same at maybe only 30mph. And i agree, 4 groups bad idea.

I suspect Zack and I were the "questionable" ones. First time at the track, and although signed up for A we were actually considering bumping down to I before the day started. Todd strongly suggested against it. So be it, we're not blazing fast but fairly consistent and predictable - Zack races, and I pretend. So, what makes an advanced rider questionable then - not FAST enough?? The intermediate group guys eventually need to move up and become the slow A guys. Not as much fun, but the best way to become faster. And as far as riding a 250 in A goes, their corner speeds are right up there. You big boys know how to get around if you need to. And while i'm at it, Chuck - what are YOU doing goofing off in I group?!!!

...the 250s broke into the 9's last weekend. 8>)

Me and Zack are 99% in on the weekend, trackday Sat, and him racing on Sun. Just us two packed up in my Tundra. Where is everyone staying - camping or hoteling on Main street? Gotta admit, nothing like a comfy bed after day of pounding the track (vs sleeping in a tent), but camping is fun too!

uhhmm, how about Marquez?... honestly, i gotta believe the press was sensationalizing the whole "dislocated shoulder" thing for ratings. to fight for the top spot at this level with ANY sort of compromising condition is almost unimaginable.

sold.

no more worrying about whether someone has a beacon. GPS based lap timer gets split times, MPH and g's around the entire track. Plus, you can bring in rpm, throttle position, braking pressure, etc. Awesome tool for learning about your riding and improving lap times (or seeing where it needs work). Running low on racing funds and need cash. http://www.xtracing.com/en/gpxpro/index.php Costs almost 800 new, asking $500.

me and the kid will be there on Saturday. really hoping for good traction, i'm tired of fixing fiberglass this year...

fun things about kart tracks and supermoto: * its cheap * you can bump elbows with your buddies on track * you can drop the bike, run after it, get back on, and keep riding the rest of the day fun things about big tracks * speed * getting low * chicks dig it we graduated from supermoto to big track. both great. to the OP - you'll be absolutely fine - just do it. think of it as really fast street riding, just no speeding tickets!

serpent - trying to send you a PM re photos, but your mailbox must be full not accepting any messages. PM me your email if you were taking photos on the 16th. interested in snagging some shots from you.

anybody racing this event? (mid week might be a bitch)

four of us from Cleveland area will be down on Friday. Rslocum (Rob), texasmassacre (Mark), and my son (Zack). Black tandem axle trailer, GMC crew cab diesel. I'll be breaking in the "new" bike, hopefully much lighter on the 'breaking' this go around! lol.

and use the super secret discount code "forum2013", which is good for 10 bucks off.

my Moto-Fairings arrived yesterday, and my fears were realized - although apparently very nice quality, they fit like they were meant for a different bike. Probably going to return them and take advantage of this HotBodies deal if i can a partner for the 2-for-1. (you can mix and match packages) anybody??? thanks George (06 CBR600RR, currently naked)